Aimee Challenor Quits!

[JustfiedandAncient]

About time too!

many members are complaining that AC was highly reckless and that had they not jumped, they should rightly have been shoved out of the party, never to return.

Where?

Bob, I am much in sympathy with you and others like you.

I agree the party could yet implode.

But whats happened and still happening, remains a total train wreck which the Green Party's reputation can not escape - nor should it. It does undo so much hard work and thats got to be gut wrenching for those who have invested in that.

I hope those who realise the damage that Aimee, Clare and Matt have done and continue to do, fight for what they value and believe. Clare and Matt need to be rinsed for continuing indulge in arse covering and intimidation in the middle of an inquiry.

They absoluetely should be shown the door, not just for what they missed at the time, but how they are continuing to carry on NOW.

If the BBC won't cover a party because it gets less than 2% of the vote, then why so much coverage of trans issues and TRA spokesmen ?

since the % that genuinely have body dismorphia is reckoned at under 0.5%

Isn't it strange that AC has never mentioned telling the couple?

For the past week, it seems, AC has been apologising for NOT telling the party officially. .

Isn't it likely that AC told Matt and Clare that his dad was in a bit of bother and - not to worry - dad was pleading not guilty because the witness was lying (such was AC's perception at the time)?

That would account for off-hand way in which Matt told the press office "in the unlikely unevent of an enquiry about Aimee... it's nothing... and I know about it. I can handle it. Nothing to worry the party about."

I think that's two of AC's naive but well meaning backers there. Their statements don't "save" Aimee or drop the Green Party in it. Instead, they show how easy fools can be taken in.

When did this complaining start?

Rather like the French joke about all the people who joined the resistance in 1948, expect to see lots of Green politicians (for example, Caroline Lucas) now attempting to claim they knew all along.

In 25 years' time, this is going to look like Labour's brief flirtation with PIE, but magnified ten-fold.

Rather like the French joke about all the people who joined the resistance in 1948, expect to see lots of Green politicians (for example, Caroline Lucas) now attempting to claim they knew all along

Its just i didn't see many complaining when Olivia got kicked out, or when AC was bragging about the 50,000 TERFs being blocked.

BigChoc, I'm guessing thats the BBC taking its job to educate us seriously whilst ignoring its job to inform us.

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas & Datun On the members website and various Facebook groups linked to the Green Party.

I will be submitting an official complaint about Phipps and Brown. I suspect there are others who knew more than they let on.

KeneftYakimoski From the moment of the first official statement from the party.

You might want to have a word with Andy Healey who was trying to flag all this up yonks ago and got shafted.

@djandyhealey on twitter.

Bob 💐 for you.

Those of us who invest time and care in politics, and a Party, know how rubbish this must be for you.

So, just a message to say I see you, and know, and sympathise.

Xx

So AC has been active on fetish sites since the age of 14 or younger? Surely that's got to be a red flag in itself? Wtf happened in that family? I'm sure it's no coincidence that the child rapist dad has the same fetish. It's sickening and no doubt the crime DC was convicted for is just the tip of the iceberg

Thanks for this thread which also informed me about WPUK
I'd never heard of them but they look very worthy of a donation

A bit earlier in this thread, there was a discussion about whether it is appropriate to feel sorry for Aimee, or whether, given Aimee is an adult who had a lot of influence, and campagned relentlessly for removal of safeguarding, sympathy is not appropriate. As a lot of people were saying, it is not usually the case that someone is all good, or all bad, so it is entirely possible to be dangerous and a victim at the same time.

It seems entirely likely to me,, that David Challenor suffered some form of abuse in his childhood. Surely none of us think that makes him any less responsible for what he did. So we are back at the question of age. If Aimee is too young to be responsible for their own actions, Aimee should never have had any power.

I think you get to a place where you argue that safe guarding includes thinking carefully about giving young people too much power too quickly, and that everyone needs to almost do an apprenticeship period in politics to demonstrate that they have reached a point in life where they are emotionally and social mature enough to carry out a representative role.

By all means have youth politicians as part of the party framework but don't let them go for senior roles like deputy leader at age 20.

It's nonsense which isn't in the best interest of anyone.

It seems entirely likely to me,, that David Challenor suffered some form of abuse in his childhood.

It's a common belief, but apparently it's much more untrue than it is true (In 'Predators: Pedophiles, Rapists, And Other Sex Offenders' Anna Salter discusses this).

Bob, I can understand it would be hard for a lot of people to speak out, especially as A.C. was so well protected by senior members.

I've put this link on Scottish Greens thread, but it seems that your sister party may be heading towards same train wreck scenario. Aimee mentioned other green party memberships, so I wondered if this might be next port of call. Especially as the numpties seem to be doubling down on this policy.

mobile.twitter.com/cassmacg/status/1037321742061109248

apparently it's much more untrue than it is true (In 'Predators: Pedophiles, Rapists, And Other Sex Offenders' Anna Salter discusses this).

^^ Just to agree with this. There have been a fair number of studies. The results and conclusions from the one linked below:

Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator...
CONCLUSIONS: The data support the notion of a victim-to-victimiser cycle in a minority of male perpetrators but not among the female victims studied...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11731348

This whole situation is completely mental. But the fact that this DC was allowed out on bail awaiting trial I find astonishing. I wonder if this is common practice and if so why? I don’t think it’s acceptable to say there isn’t the money to hold rapists and paedos awaiting trial. These kind of offenders are a clear and obvious danger to the public. I wonder what actually happened in this case.

Surprisingly few people are not granted bail.

CPS Legal Guidance, look at the sections on General Right to Bail and Exceptions. www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/bail

"xclusions to the right to bail
The general right to bail does not apply in the following circumstances:

Murder
The power of magistrates to consider bail in murder cases, whether at first hearing or after a breach of an existing bail condition, is now removed by s. 115(1) of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009. This does not apply to attempted murder or conspiracy to murder.

Where a person is charged with an offence of murder or attempted murder, and has previously been convicted in the UK or court of an EU Member State of an offence of murder, attempted murder, rape or a serious sexual offence (as listed in s. 25(2) of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994), he shall only be granted bail where there are exceptional reasons, which justify it.

Section 114 of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009 amends Schedule 1 to the Bail Act 1976. Section 114(2) provides that bail may not be granted to someone charged with murder unless the court is satisfied that there is no significant risk that, if released on bail, that person would commit an offence that would be likely to cause physical or mental injury to another person. In coming to that decision, the court must have regard to the nature and seriousness of the offence, the suspect's character and antecedents and his record in relation to previous grants of bail.

Manslaughter and Serious Sexual Offences
Where a person is charged with an offence of manslaughter, rape or a serious sexual offence, and has previously been convicted in the UK or court of an EU Member State of an offence of murder, attempted murder, rape or a serious sexual offence (as listed in s. 25(2) of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994), he shall only be granted bail where there are exceptional reasons, which justify it.

Note: Where a person charged with one of the offences referred to above has a previous conviction for manslaughter or culpable homicide in the UK or EU court, he shall only have his right to bail restricted where he received a sentence of imprisonment or detention upon conviction.

Someone in another thread mentioned 'the database'.

72,000 ISH child abuse and child sex offenders all documented. And these are just the ones sentenced.

JFC on a bike.

Rather like the French joke about all the people who joined the resistance in 1948, expect to see lots of Green politicians (for example, Caroline Lucas) now attempting to claim they knew all along.

I'm expecting to see that played out in miniature on here too. Someone who had been vociferously defending TWAW went very quiet on a thread the other day when shown some safeguarding advice they had said would never possibly be given to any school. I imagine a swift n/c, a period of lurking and then a new user will be born here on FWR.

And that's fine if you're not in charge of the Green party...