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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Aimee Challenor Quits!

222 replies

JustfiedandAncient · 03/09/2018 21:01

About time too!

Aimee Challenor Quits!
OP posts:
KeneftYakimoski · 04/09/2018 09:22

Having some degree of sympathy for a person from a catastrophically abusive background does not mean that one should be any less adamant that such a person should be prevented from harming others or held to account for harm done to others

Absolutely. I hope what I wrote didn’t imply otherwise.

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 04/09/2018 09:22

As I’ve read this thread there has been mention of A’s behaviour online that’s been unearthed... a reference to inappropriate photos and A herself wearing a nappy.

I have been unable to find any other info on this..is it true? Or have a couple of posters been confused with Baloo?

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 04/09/2018 09:28

No confusion. Loads of reveals on twitter and I think on here over the weekend.

arranfan · 04/09/2018 09:29

I’ve read this thread there has been mention of A’s behaviour online that’s been unearthed

It's on various Twitter accounts. I won't link to them as I doubt the relevance of the specifics beyond knowing that they raise issues around potential conflict of interest for AC in re: official contributions to discussion around safeguarding issues.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 04/09/2018 09:34

Aimee's, "other Green Parties" membership post is also concerning me re the Scottish party. I certainly wouldn't put it past Patrick I'm-far- cleverer -than-you-and-you-are-all- unconscionable- bigots Harvie to prove his woke credentials.

Surely, if Aimee is a member of other parties, they should also be conducting investigations or be subject to the E&W one?

And how the hell is A.C. still retaining membership of LGBTQÆÊØĪXWJŮ💬💤%£¥₩ (anything else resembling a letter) greens?

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 04/09/2018 09:34

Thanks for answering, I’m off to look..
I’m amazed at how uninformed our local Labour Party councillors are. They had the unfortunate experience of doorstepping me last week. I’m just putting together some info at their request.

arranfan · 04/09/2018 09:40

I believe that I'm possibly the only person who hasn't seen the Tracey Ullman sketch: When you're so woke, you're still asleep.

mobile.twitter.com/bbccomedy/status/1010189882503950336

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 09:48

* 'Transphobia' in TRA use now really does mean nothing more than failure to unconditionally and unquestioningly enable and approve, including failure to exempt from all standard boundaries, rules and expectations.

* Regardless of what you do to support, how far you've helped, what you've done right, if you do one thing wrong you will be turned upon (Splitting in MH terms, you're either all good or all bad)

I recognised this pretty early on in my personal relationship but couldn't verbalise what it was that was wrong. It just gave me an uncomfortable feeling, made me feel guilty and a failure.

It's horrible to see it on an institutional level.

I hope that institutions are better placed to understand because its now being spelt out in terms that are easier to comprehend and process what is happening.

LangCleg · 04/09/2018 10:40

I recognised this pretty early on in my personal relationship but couldn't verbalise what it was that was wrong. It just gave me an uncomfortable feeling, made me feel guilty and a failure.

I think of you often when the latest trans ally puts a foot wrong and is trashed, Red. Flowers

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 10:59

Don't have sympathy for me. I'm doing OK now.

But it's hard. Former allies need people to say it's OK, you weren't stupid just manipulated and to be given the language to help express how they have been turned into side out mentally by it.

It's not something you can see when you are inside it. You can only see it when you step away from it's control. Once you do, you can see the power dynamics and you can't unsee it or understand why you didn't.

I think that's part of the problem of the entire thing. You get swept up in it. It's almost intoxicating, to be part of a 'new revolution', to have others around you, sharing that belief.

But its a facade. And once the facade drops its not the same.

The problem for individuals who are particularly caught up - including people like Aimee - is it is their entire life and existence.

Dropping the facade is erasing their existence. But a facade can not exist forever if it is totally at odds with reality and requires a collective group to control the facade and prevent reality from creeping it.

They will defend it to the end, because the facade dropping leaves them lost and exposed and alone.

It's heartbreaking.

All of it is a train wreck. All of it.

But I'd rather be a bystander, watching it in horror than abroad that train. Even if that in itself is traumatic.

No one walks away from this unscathed if you've been near it.

LangCleg · 04/09/2018 11:20

All of this is what makes you such a valuable contributor here, Red. I'm grateful for it.

GreenGloves · 04/09/2018 11:22

Flowers Red. PS on a slightly related note, I would read your writing on anything. You get everything and explain it so very well.

On a lighter note

"Shahrar Ali

This could explain how Shearer, Alan ended up on the terfblocker list."

Not that has just given me a belly laugh so thank you very much!

Though I would imagine as a straight-talking Geordie Alan wouldn't have much time for the TRAs.

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 04/09/2018 11:28

Red I don’t know your background but I hope you are ok.

R0wantrees · 04/09/2018 11:40

James Kirkup article today worth reading:
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/how-caroline-lucas-fell-foul-of-the-transgender-thought-police/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3355425-James-Kirkup-on-the-Green-Partys-meltdown

Woman's Place UK statement:
"WPUK Meeting with Green Party
We are astonished by the reaction to Caroline Lucas tweeting that she is arranging a meeting with Woman’s Place UK to hear the concerns of women in relation to proposals to change the Gender Recognition Act (GRA).

In these reactions, we have, once again, been misrepresented as a ‘far-right’ ‘Transphobic’ ‘hate-group’ with which no self-respecting politician should engage. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

On the contrary, we are a grassroots campaign made up of women in the labour movement and women’s services with five reasonable demands to ensure that women’s voices are heard on issues of material concern to them, and that our rights are defended and upheld." (continues)
womansplaceuk.org/wpuk-meeting-with-green-party/

DoctorTwo · 04/09/2018 11:44

Shahrar Ali

This could explain how Shearer, Alan ended up on the terfblocker list.

Wow, it's really sophisticated. :o

R0wantrees · 04/09/2018 12:11

But it's hard. Former allies need people to say it's OK, you weren't stupid just manipulated and to be given the language to help express how they have been turned into side out mentally by it.

It's not something you can see when you are inside it. You can only see it when you step away from it's control. Once you do, you can see the power dynamics and you can't unsee it or understand why you didn't.

Red
Since I first started reading threads on FWR, yours have been so clear, nuanced and informed. Thank you, I learn so much that matters from our posts. Flowers

The combination of critical thinking and compassion you demonstrate is exactly what is needed now.

R0wantrees · 04/09/2018 12:12

and that's an incredibly embarassing typo as should read ' I learn so much from your posts! Blush

SPOFS · 04/09/2018 12:18

I wonder if WPUK could threaten to sue AC for libel?

FloralBunting · 04/09/2018 12:18

It's so instructive to see how very, very quickly a woman like Caroline Lucas who has been pro TRA to the point of parody in that Guardian article, is ripped to shreds by the TRA for the slightest perceived dissent.

BettyDuMonde · 04/09/2018 12:22

Yes, the treatment of Caroline Lucas certainly demonstrates how similar the situation is to being in an abusive relationship!

arranfan · 04/09/2018 12:22

I wonder if WPUK could threaten to sue AC for libel?

Emphatically not a good look - particularly not when it's a young person with many personal and social difficulties, like AC.

However, it might be interesting if Harrop buys his way out of a faux-pas again by making a donation (he's done it before and posted a shot from his Visa statement to prove it).

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 04/09/2018 12:29

Haddock is libeling WPUK again this morning isn't he?

sexnotgender · 04/09/2018 12:32

Haddock is such a turd. I blocked him on twitter as he wasn’t good for my blood pressure.

Turph · 04/09/2018 13:20

UKIP also had problems with lack of screening of candidates due to inexperience and rapid growth
This is such a good point. Single issue party expanding at a rate of knots as the voting public lose faith with the big 2.5. Insufficient vetting, and an influx of weird people. What happened when UKIP members claimed floods were caused by gay marriage? They were castigated as a party of crazy extremists in the press.
This is something smaller parties need to be acutely aware of. If this had been better reported, it may well have destroyed the Green Party.

JoanSummers · 04/09/2018 13:26

how the hell is A.C. still retaining membership of LGBTQÆÊØĪXWJŮ💬💤%£¥₩ (anything else resembling a letter) greens?

Possibly the lgbtqia+ Greens are, like the libdem lgbtqia+ group, not an official group within the Party?