Trans councillor leaves roles after 'threats to life'

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I'm not one for posting threads on here but I feel this is quite a sad position for this person and shows how hard it is to maintain a professional stance on this when you are receiving threats and abuse at the levels that are currently happening on the Internet, in no way am I saying this is gender critical people. But this debate as now got to such a level that it is starting to cost people there livelihoods on both sides of this so called debate.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-tayside-central-45151228

BarbieInTheDreamHouse Are you saying that if someone does a lot for charity they can be have as badly as they like and no one can call them out or criticize their bad behaviour?

He hates women so he hates me and my daughters, my sisters, my friends. He can fuck off. Nasty bastard.

Grr, incorrect use of reign. Should have been rein. I think. Now both words look wrong.

Gregor spends hours and hours of their personal time every week/month/year genuinely helping people. Much more than I do.

That may be true but then Gregor goes on Twitter and calls women cunts etc. That's a particularly misogynistic insult that tells us am awful lot about the person.

Always the excusing of misogyny as long as a man is a great guy in every other way...

Jimmy Saville did a lot for good causes too. Didn't in anyway justify his odious behaviour.

So, from Reddit, grogipher comments:

"Trans is an umbrella term that covers many people, including transmen, transwomen, non binary people and cross dressers and all sorts. You can read more here: www.scottishtrans.org/trans-rights/an-intro-to-trans-terms/transgender-umbrella/

I am non binary. Probably agender"

"A lot of it is a social construct and completely artificial yeah. That's why I said I feel agender, I completely reject the whole idea that I need to fit into one box or the other. I wanna little from column a, a little from column b. It's like saying you need to be gay or straight and no bi folks allowed.

I wanna paint my nails and wear make up and rock clothes from the women's aisle. I also wanna keep my beard. I wanna go to the pub and have a few pints and watch the rugby, I wanna spend an afternoon doing manipedis and watching chick flicks... I think the whole thing is a nonsense and I don't get it.

I don't feel I fit into one or the other."

www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/96a02b/transcouncillor_has_had_threats_to_life/

BarbieInTheDreamHouse

Gregor is anti women. They call 40% female representation 'fucking stupid.' And lesbians who are being persecuted by transwomen for sex, cunts.

Their anti women outpourings are indisputable.

As is their lack of control.

It's so important to Gregor to dis women, they couldn't stop even on pain of losing their job.

This is the feminist board of a site called mumsnet.

You do the math.

Would you defend him Barrie if he was a disgusting racist and abused black people? Would you ask black people to leave him be and tell them he was a super nice guy?

I bet you wouldn't...it's always women who are expected to put up with men being abusive to us.

Barber, sorry!

Ffs Barbie! Stupid autocorrect.

Also with gregor being in a position of power behaving the way they did towards women just emboldens other male born people to do the same. What example does this set for the scouts Gregor leads etc?

So Gregor should absolutely be held accountable.

Would you defend him Barrie if he was a disgusting racist and abused black people? Would you ask black people to leave him be and tell them he was a super nice guy?

Exactly. What if they called disabled people cunts for wanting to retain their protected characteristic?

Or said that disabled people being fairly represented was 'fucking stupid'?

Doesn't sound quite so acceptable, now, does it?

You might want to think, long and hard about what your own attitude is to women and the protected characteristic of sexual orientation.

The racism comparison is on point.

Why is his gross behaviour towards women acceptable when the same behaviour towards POC would not get a pass because of his otherwise exemplary social conscience?

Honestly, it's precisely this kind of handwringing defence of these people by other women that makes this such a wickedly successful attempt to crush women's rights.

I find it utterly bizarre that Gregor would have been so incredibly unprofessional in the first place. He's an embarrassment to his party and no mistake.

I wonder if he's been forced to resign. I'd certainly lose my job if I spoke like he did.

Obviously I'm sure he'll be reporting the "death threats " to the police.

By Gregor’s description we are all non-binary. I’ve just been using a hammer action drill whilst wearing gold nail varnish.

If Gregor has had "threats to life" on Twitter, then obviously the police will be involved.

The police have been very swift to contact Twitter in order to track down women who have expressed concern at 16 year olds being taken out of the country for surgery.

So there will be huge resources devoted to actual death threats to an elected official.

No doubt arrests will be imminent.

I wanna paint my nails and wear make up and rock clothes from the women's aisle. I also wanna keep my beard. I wanna go to the pub and have a few pints and watch the rugby, I wanna spend an afternoon doing manipedis and watching chick flicks... I think the whole thing is a nonsense and I don't get it.

So this is what it is to claim a non-binary identity??

Strangely it seems to me to be indistinguishable from having personal preferences and a personality like every other (boring and normal) human on the planet.

Seriously mate you can just do all the things mentioned above and 99.99% of others will not give one shiny shit..but then you'd not be able to claim your woke oppression points and where's the fun in that.

I feel a headache coming on...

Cross-posted with Kat about the police thing.

Watch this space.

Hi Gregor

You are following this thread, so I'm waving to you.

I just wanted to say how brave you were to condemn Trans Exclusionary Women (TEWs) with unambiguous clarity.

What a cheerleader - and a well-placed politician too. It was a pity when you withdrew so quickly from social media: I missed your measured and sensible contributions. I assume that 'measured' and 'sensible' come naturally to you as a politician, scout leader and Children's Convenor.

I'm sorry to hear that you perceive yourself to be targeted for "literal violence" by people who say you demonstrated a classic case of misogyny. And it wasn't even your fault! They made you do it. You weren't responsible at all. You are the victim here.

Keep up the good work and ignore the of number people who have transpeaked as a result of your tweets and your letter of withdrawal from high profile duties.

Not to mention that being a woman for Gregor is, in his words, all about clothes, make up, nails, manipedis and chick flicks.

Yeah, cos that is all about what Angela Merkel is all about.

Imagine working with someone who thinks like that.

I wanna paint my nails and wear make up and rock clothes from the women's aisle. I also wanna keep my beard. I wanna go to the pub and have a few pints and watch the rugby, I wanna spend an afternoon doing manipedis and watching chick flicks... I think the whole thing is a nonsense and I don't get it...

Gregor, the reason you don't get it, is because no-one wants to oppress you for wearing nail varnish.

Seriously, put your ego away.

I wanna paint my nails and wear make up and rock clothes from the women's aisle. I also wanna keep my beard. I wanna go to the pub and have a few pints and watch the rugby, I wanna spend an afternoon doing manipedis and watching chick flicks... I think the whole thing is a nonsense and I don't get it.

Wait, that is what it means to be non-binary and therefore trans? Well fuck me sideways, I'm trans, who knew? Minus the beard (well I do have a tache that is getting more prominent as I get older), all of those things apply to me.

I guess I had better get to pride and start waving the pink, blue and white flag, and talking about how special and oppressed I am for being so queer. If I had known, I could have run for a Councillor and could have beaten Gregor to the 'first openly trans Councillor' accolade. God dammit.

Honestly what a load of old shite.

Isn't challenging gender stereotypes a key objective in the Scouts?

I know that Girl GUide leaders have shared training resources here in the past.

Do Scout leaders have the same?

For reference:
Scouting guidance for leaders re communication (chapter re: dyslexia)
members.scouts.org.uk/documents/scouting_speaks_to_all_a_leader_s_guide_to_speech__language_and_communication_needs(1).pdf

Gregor spends hours and hours of their personal time every week/month/year genuinely helping people. Much more than I do.

And?

He still thinks you are a cunt.