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A woman is an adult female human

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Pratchet · 03/07/2018 10:18

Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

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FordPrefect42 · 03/07/2018 22:53

The word “canal” being used in that context makes me shudder. Oh, and Snappity’s post was completely unacceptable ☹️ I may be in a minority but I am glad it was deleted as it demonstrates that MNHQ do have some idea of what is acceptable and of course that comment definitely wasn’t! Gives us a little bit of clarification I guess.

Just how on earth can anyone think it right to compare a surgically created hole to a functioning female reproductive system (granted, one of the functions is taken away through hysterectomy but the rest remain)?

I see no TRA trying to compare a man that has had a vasectomy to a trans identifying female. Once again, shows that this whole thing is all about kale privilege!

Flowers for @Pratchet but I am conscious of the fact that you already have several, and I fear that you’ll struggle to water them all! 😆

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 03/07/2018 22:54

I saw a comedienne last weekend who said she could pick up 5live via her coil, wonder what all those gondolas might be able to broadcast?

pombear · 03/07/2018 22:54

Aaand because I'm guilty of moving this thread towards humour and chat (which I love, it makes me laugh, connects me with others who feel the same and eases the load of shining the light where it needs to be shone!)

I'm reposting the OP:
Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

Thank you Pratchet

FordPrefect42 · 03/07/2018 22:54

For god’s sake! Male privilege! Since when did a plant have rights? 😂

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 03/07/2018 22:54

Just the one gondola angry??

Cantquitebelievewhatitscometo · 03/07/2018 22:55

2016 study of 50,000 older Americans: Compared with men, women were less likely to receive potentially beneficial medication such as aspirin and cholesterol-lowering medications...

“Women who’ve had heart attacks aren’t being treated the same way as men,” Haythe said. “They’re not getting the same treatment”

That ok with the Transwomen?

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 03/07/2018 22:55

Yes good point pom

Sorry pratchet

ResistanceIsNecessary · 03/07/2018 22:55

I am a woman.

I have a vagina.

Transwomen do not have vaginas. That is biological fact.

Language matters. Legal definitions matter.

Women are women. Transwomen are transwomen.

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 03/07/2018 22:56

Sorry and thanks ROwan, it's been a long day!

NewbieSpartacus · 03/07/2018 22:56

Rufus like the snakes on the medic alert bracelet

LurkingBee · 03/07/2018 22:56

I hung up my hat a while ago now.

So, perhaps other learned women ( as in: lived experience of being a biological woman) can help me here.

If a Government, puts out a "Consultation exercise" regarding a change in Law.

Should it not erm.."consult" ( as requested in the live petition) prior to making a considered decision?

Rather than announcing the outcome prior to consulting?

If anyone sees Penny Mordaunt, could they get her to read this link.?

Last para Penny, try reading it....
www.gov.uk/government/publications/consultation-principles-guidance
We will also reduce the risk of ‘consultation fatigue’ by making sure we consult only on issues that are genuinely undecided.

BabyItsAWildWorld · 03/07/2018 22:56

Penny Morduant is betraying women.

MNHQ is betraying women.

It feels very dark right now because it feels that no one, not even the organisations that we trusted were on our side, will stand with women.

Women are not even allowed to repeat facts about their own biology, as this is inflammatory.

@MNHQ this is your Darkest Hour, and you failed. You failed to do the courageous difficult thing, you let women down in the most fundamental way, by taking our Voice away.

But we will win this. I know that. As we are right, honest, open, factual, ready to debate and find solutions and we are courageous.

Women will fight and we will win, and we will feel sad that MN let us down in a way we would never have foreseen.

#21stCenturySuffragettes

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 03/07/2018 22:57

Oh god yes newbie Grin

I love that show...binge watched it a few months ago

ResistanceIsNecessary · 03/07/2018 22:57

And on that note, me and my vagina are going off to bed.

See the rest of you in the morning.

#Beingawomanisnotafeeling.

Bespin · 03/07/2018 22:57

I'm on a canal right now, we had a vagina discussion today at work was around if people actually use the word as. Someone who is Canadian used it and all the northern people looked at her a bit funny as everyone else uses various terms for it.

Anyway will get no arguments from me that we are biologically the same in these aspects so I hope. You don't all think that we think this way I don't. Often use the word neo vagina as it always sounds like it's from the matrix. Also I never got a manual either though the surgeon did point very obvious stuff out though I think he just wanted me to tell him what a good job he had done.

R0wantrees · 03/07/2018 22:58

WichBitch
I liked your genderirritible... just didn't want to take credit for it! Smile

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 03/07/2018 22:59

newbie

Which one opens up?

NewbieSpartacus · 03/07/2018 22:59

I think MNHQ are backing off now in the hope that nobody will remember what they said at the start. #iamspartacus #iamelephant #notablindcanal

LangCleg · 03/07/2018 23:00

I love you women. Love you.

Did you know that the Karakum Canal in Turkmenistan is known as the River of Life? No gondolas though, so far as I know.

FordPrefect42 · 03/07/2018 23:00

I hope that is the case, @NewbieSpartacus

Goodnight all!

LangCleg · 03/07/2018 23:01

And on that note, me and my vagina are going off to bed.

Sweet (vaginal) dreams!

AngryAttackKittens · 03/07/2018 23:02

I think Snappity's comment was deleted because MNHQ know very well that it makes the trans activist position look bad and they consider it their duty to try to represent that position in a good light.

birdbandit · 03/07/2018 23:02

It is incredible that we women are having to argue for our right to acknowledge that we exist.

I blah blah on about STBXH, but again, my reality is that after an 18 year relationship he decided that because he gets an erect penis from wearing "female" clothes, this makes him a woman.

I'm the one who carried, gave birth to and cared for the children. I did ALL the "wife work" (I'm fairly pissed off that he didn't wash clothes/cook meals or any other "innate female tasks" whilst we were together!)

Yet MN, who despite being kind enough to let the trans widows support thread stand, (so far) seem to agree with his nonsense that I'm in the wrong for not wanting to rebrand the genitalia he has no desire to physically change, a female penis.

Come on MN, you are better than this.

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 03/07/2018 23:02

Honour among 'frets' ROwan, keeping it civil and all that!

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 03/07/2018 23:03

Since the thread is about biology, it is apt to compare a trans woman vagina with that of a woman who has had an hysterectomy. Biologically both are blind canals

Which post?

This one?

Night all