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A woman is an adult female human

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Pratchet · 03/07/2018 10:18

Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

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AnneEyhtMeyer · 03/07/2018 23:04

This will surely be in the press tomorrow, it is such a u-turn from the free speech pledge.

Who would believe women would be criticised for stating biological facts by a website called Mumsnet? It is an utter disgrace.

pombear · 03/07/2018 23:05

Bespin I get that you seem to have had surgery to create something that gives you comfort that it represents female biology as much as possbile.

But these sentences:
Anyway will get no arguments from me that we are biologically the same in these aspects so I hope. You don't all think that we think this way I don't.
confuse me. Do you mean you don't think you've been given the biologically identical plumbing as females?

Do you mean surgery doesn't = being female?

(as tone doesn't come across in posts, I'm asking respectfully and interested, not confrontationally)

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 03/07/2018 23:05

I live next to a canal. Full of life, healthy, clean and a joy to be near.

FordPrefect42 · 03/07/2018 23:06

@AnneEyhtMeyer you reckon?

OK then just so the DM don’t get their hands on this:

GO AWAY DAILY MAIL

Right I am officially off to bed!

birdbandit · 03/07/2018 23:06

And of course we will be vindicated, folk will look back at this as mass idiocy, probably pretend they weren't deluded by marketing, because babies don't come from feelings and cabbage patches. They will still arrive via us, the women.

SpareRibFem · 03/07/2018 23:07

A woman is an adult female human

I am a woman who has had a hysterectomy

I am a different sex to a transwoman and for them to say I am now male and compare my vagina to an artificial orifice made from intestine is deeply deeply offensive.

pombear · 03/07/2018 23:08

birdbandit waves, didn't feel it was my place to comment on your other thread. Goodto see you here, as you, more than most of us, have 'skin in the game' to comment, but sorry that your situation makes you need to be here.

thebewilderness · 03/07/2018 23:08

pombear

Sowing confusion is the reason that person is here. Confusion is they.

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Pratchet · 03/07/2018 23:08

I fear not: I fear TRA are going to use the surrogacy threat to weaponise a spurious claim of homophobia. There was NO homophobia on that thread. There was some terrible misogyny, which was deleted.

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YourMajestyJ · 03/07/2018 23:08

@Snappity Oh dear, a woman's vagina really is nothing like the surgically created, penis and scrotum lined canal of a post op transgender male.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695466/

I mean, for a start, we're women so there is no meat and 2 veg involved in the creation of our beautiful vajayjays.

The vagina of a woman does not usually have microflora similar to that of BACTERIAL VAGINOSIS.

Intravaginal hair seems a fairly common complication for post op transgender males. Never heard of a woman with that issue.

YourMajestyJ · 03/07/2018 23:10

Oh and the ones that are surgically created from colon? Apparently it takes a while for the smell to go away.

BabyItsAWildWorld · 03/07/2018 23:11

If in doubt do remember Rebecca Reilly Cooper's useful tool:
People born with the kind of bodies with the potential to gestate- the adult version of those people are women. Whether they've gestated or not, whether their bits worked effectively or not, whether they've had a hysterectomy or not. Women.

People born with the kind of bodies with the potential to impregnate- who become adults are men.
Even if they artificially create a 'blind canal' out of their dick.
Hth

pombear · 03/07/2018 23:11

thebewilderness - yep, you're right, thanks for reminding me. Off, really this time, to bed.

YourMaj Star just for "vajayjays"

Bespin · 03/07/2018 23:12

Yes pombear both those Things are true and it is something that I would he stupid not to think. I have no issue around biology it's why I'm trans because if I was born female I. Would not be would I. This is something that we have to live with and I choose to acknowledge that I'm. Not biologically female am I part of the social and therefore legal construct around women yes I beleive I am as I'm a trans woman, sociity as agreed on the whole with this and as I keep saying it can disagree as easily especially if your campaign is successful in removing that status under woman. As there is currently not a third gender in this culture I think that it would be hard to function in society if that happened

KataraJean · 03/07/2018 23:15

Would you like a third gender, Bespin?

Bespin · 03/07/2018 23:15

I know I was as confused as you thebewilderness in agreeing with you, but you know what things are never that simple are. They and maybe just maybe people are not here with a plan or a goal but they are here cos they like you beleive in something and wish to fight for it just like you do.

R0wantrees · 03/07/2018 23:15

Maybe I should take my blind canal for a walk along our local canal tomorrow?

On the #ManFriday at Hampstead swimming ponds thread there is discussion about the distress and anger felt by a number of women when their experiences of hysterectomies are so glibbly and repeatedly appropriated by TRAs.

@Munchausenslovelyhorse suggested, #Don'tHijackMyHysterectomy & I hope she won't mind if I launch it here. No champagne so perhaps with a Gin?

#Don'tHijackMyHysterectomy #Don'tHijackMyHysterectomy #Don'tHijackMyHysterectomy

Bespin · 03/07/2018 23:19

KataraJean that is a genuinly interesting question and one I have not really been able to answer as I do not live in a culture where that is possible though have read a lot about native tribes where that is an option and I'm always interested in non binary presentation and how they manage to live there lives. Honestly if I didn't have to be trans if it was not the thing I needed to be then it would have been good to have reached that happy point in andro. I did try that but it never really was me

FordPrefect42 · 03/07/2018 23:20

Just one last thought to leave you all with before I FINALLY head off:

I was ordering something on Boots the other day. Before I could proceed to check out, they had to ask some questions. Who is the medicine for, how old are they, any existing conditions - you get the idea.

One of the questions asked if I was male, female, or male and female.

MALE AND FEMALE

We’re talking about medication here! What about medication that can’t be taken by the wrong sex, like oral contraceptives?

We’re messing around with MEDICINE for goodness’ sake. I fear for society, I really do.

But then I hear about kids/teens on Lupron or cross-sex hormones and apparently that’s normal. ☹️

Goodnight.

birdbandit · 03/07/2018 23:21

@Bespin what do you think about Male sexually motivated cross dressers, full time or no, also demanding we address them as women?

Bespin · 03/07/2018 23:26

birdbandit again this is a hard question as you said full time or not, I think there is a big difference in those as it's unlikely that someone is sexualy motivated to be full time I mean being a woman is often very mundane int it it's not really a sexualy exciting thing well not for me anyway maybe I'm doing it wrong. So I would have to know the person I would always want to respect someonea chosen pronouns unless they gave me doubt to question them by acting in a way that was not appropriate

SpareRibFem · 03/07/2018 23:26

#Don'tHijackMyHysterectomy

^This^

I thought I was past being upset by having to have a hysterectomy but the trans activists exploiting surgery specific to female humans in this way is abusive

AngryAttackKittens · 03/07/2018 23:26

The only explanation I can think of for that, Ford, is that they think the meds will be shared by multiple people? Which is fair enough if it's a bottle of aspirin, not so much if it's something prescription.

ErrolTheDragon · 03/07/2018 23:27

Ford - eh?Confused it wasn't meant to be that the 'male and female' option was to cover the case where the medicine was likely to be used by more than one member of a household- that's the only way that could make sense.

pombear · 03/07/2018 23:27

Thank you for your response Bespin , it's good that we're all still talking.

But I'd question my campaign ? We're not a hive here.

If you only knew the stuff I put in place when I thought I was supporting the people that say the things that you do.

Before the stuff that's come since. The demands, the bullying, the lack of regard for women's rights. The extension of 'trans' to such a wide umbrella that, according to Stonewall and 'trans trainers'. also includes people with a sexual fetish.

I am a bit concerned that you state that my aim is removing that status under woman.

Until better females here than me started shouting very loudly, I never realised that you'd moved into our 'home' called 'women'.

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