Ham want to be called "Public Figures" now!!

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-king-charles-b3047022.html

Ham are now asking to be called "public figures".. wtf! They wanted to be private citizens which is why they left the RF..Is this to try & get security.
Good on King Charkes nipping their shit in the bud & reminding them of their station!

But I also do think that it’s a bit much if a hereditary monarch in the herediary system, can’t handle what goes along with that ie difficult family members! It’s not very professional is it?

He did handle him. Beautifully. Last week.

As for professionalism?

Where was that when Harry shunned the marine dinner in favour of pimping his wife out for voiceovers at the Lion King?

I didn’t say all republicans share the same views. And on a human level it is sad when family members fall out.

Sometimes some family members are so toxic it is best to keep them at a distance.

But to continually call for him to be taken back into the RF is bonkers to me if you do not wish a RF.

As for wishing for the more trouble he causes for his family the better? That is even more sad. On a human level of course.

Greygreenlandscape654

I have in my professional life mixed with a lot of very high born people and obviously there are some good and some bad but honestly so much of it can be cult-like. The schools they attended, the special terms they use, the traps they set, who they know, having this friend, or that friend, in an influential position and making sure you know about it; it can honestly be really unpleasant and is designed to exclude those not in the know or from a different background.

That's not been my experience but maybe these "very high born" people wanted to be unpleasant to you for some reason?
I'm sorry you were made to feel excluded. It's particularly reprehensible since you were obviously just trying to do a job.

Good points. Wanting Harry to be a working royal? He's a disrupter. He was against the institution, the system, the government and his own family.
That's irreconcilable at the moment.

I find it interesting that @Noras and @Greygreenlandscape654 are framing this as a family fallout that simply needs discussion for all to be sorted.

Harry has repeatedly, publicly, attacked the Head of State and accused him of overstepping his constitutional boundaries.
He has repeatedly attempted to pressurise HM Government and independent professional committees.
He has repeatedly maligned HM Courts and recently personally vilified one of HM independent judges.
That is why he cannot be a working royal.

He may, at some point, reconcile with his family. That is a separate, private matter.

I too have mixed with ‘very high born people’ and without exception, they have acted the same as most others I meet.

Horrible people are everywhere. The same with lovely people. To make a sweeping statement about people of a different background is folly.

The people I have met have been charm itself.

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I think framing it as a "private family dispute" is twofold. Firstly, it's to exonerate Harry and blame KC and William. Secondly, it's to minimise the appalling behaviour of Harry and his attitude to the UK HoS, security services, government and judiciary.
He chose to do this.
It's on him.

Exactly.
I'm not sure how valuable an education about the behaviour of "very high born people" (which is not an expression I can imagine VHBP using) from an anonymous poster on the internet is (as I was saying to <redacted> the other day).

The fact that it was the Sussexes themselves who said that they wanted to be ‘private citizens’ makes an absolutely farce of their reaction.

Very true.

The cheeky chappy died when he got with Meghan who wanted to curate a more glitzy, polished persona.
He was himself when he was with Chelsea Davy who seemed to accept him for what he was while never changing herself. I loved them as a couple & she is the one who (thankfully) got away! Beautiful, highly educated,law career, highly independent & fitted into Harry's social perfectly as many were also her friends before she was with Harry.
If Harry had married Chelsea I'd imagine he'd be living a fabulous live in her native Africa (which he loves) doing fabulous conservation work. What could have been...

Beautifully put.

(On a human level of course.

Absolutely.

Just as a by the by, surely it should go without saying that we're all talking from a human level?
I know I am and I use my own words too. I have a nasty feeling AI would ramble on too much. I prefer my own style)

As you and @bluegreygreen rightly say, it's ridiculous to frame the last 6 years as a 'family spat'.

I think it's totally disingenuous and mischievous, personally, It trivialises and minimises behaviour that I'm sure these pps would roundly condemn in another context.

Family members unfairly call you a racist? Just stop making a fuss and have a hug. There - that's made it better? Not for me, it wouldn't!

But they're not just family members - as you say, we're talking about a Head of State here, and a whole nation dishonestly tarnished with racism to the whole world.

Not reversible, not forgivable. Sorry, H & M - you cooked your goose.

I very much doubt the judgement and the sincerity of any pp who thinks this is a family spat.

I'll give my version of why I think Harry is not just a twit but an obnoxious, entitled person who should have nothing to do with the institutions of state.

We have a system for the head of state in our country which exists because the head of state, i.e. the king or queen, and some immediate members of his or her family, serve us and represent our nation. Other countries have different systems for their head of state, but our system represents the constitutional evolution of our country, our history and our culture. It's actually a very effective system because it is completely apolitical and the head of state can therefore act as a unifying figure, unlike many other heads of state. There is a lot of added value for our country with this system.

Because it is a historical and hereditary system, to be the head of state and a so-called working royal the "social contract" between the royal family and the people is that they serve us, the people and put the interests of the state and of the people above their own personal interests and their own ego. They only enjoy the status they do because they serve us, not because they are kings and princes. If you don't want or can't do that, then just get out of the way. It's happened before, e.g. Edward VIII.

Harry and Meghan tried to upend that social contract but still expected to have all the status and honours and privileges of being a royal, and a working royal at that. The half-in, half-out thing they envisaged was ridiculous. Harry always thought he was important because of his birth and never seemed to understand that it's not his birth that could make him an important person but what he did with the situation of his birth.

Then he went and publicly attacked his family in the most heinous way possible. No one who publicly attacks their family like that in public could ever be considered trustworthy or expect to be able to continue in the family business. Yet he thought he could! Even if your family are really nasty, you don't wash your dirty laundry in public. Except Harry's family are not really nasty and none of the horrible aspersions they cast on them have any credibility to them.

On top of that, his family also represent an important state institution and Harry cared not a whit as to whether his attacks harmed the institution, the British state or the monarchy. Yet he still wants to retain all the privileges and honours of the institution!

For all those reasons, Harry is an insult to me as a British citizen. He has broken the social contract but still imagines I should consider him my representative and elevate him to a glorious position, and listen to all his pontificatings on various subjects he has no knowledge or understanding of simply because he is a prince of England. And he and Meghan still want to be known as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex while being totally undeserving of those titles. They still try to sneak the HRH in if they can and insisted on their kids being prince and princess, when they were still residing in the US.

(For the record, I don't think they should be stripped of those titles; they will wither away over time.)

BunnyBunbunbun · Today 11:01

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If Harry had married Chelsea I'd imagine he'd be living a fabulous live in her native Africa (which he loves) doing fabulous conservation work.

Does he 'love' Africa? How often does he travel there? And would he ever have been happy with a quiet life away from the cameras? I'm not sure. So while Meghan definitely brought out the worst in him, I'm not sure it's up to any woman to change who he fundamentally is. And it's become very evident these past 7 years that he is just not a very nice person.

Anyway, it's all hypothetical. Chelsy lives in Mauritius with her hot, educated husband, has her own successful business and recently gave birth to her 3rd child. She's doing fine.

This is a day in Chelsy's life. Yes, I know everyone posts an idealised picture on Instagram, but would you give up any of this for a dim, whiny, man child?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZkpGLNsqqN/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=ABYVFzgRq7-6LTnwQ2eer61

As for that comment about not being paid; has anyone considered that it was a throw away line said out of temporary frustration or could it have been an ill timed joke? We don’t know for sure do we?
@Greygreenlandscape654

It doesn't matter, It was absolutely an unforgivable thing to say out loud. Yet another example of her total failure to understand the gig. Er...payment...so how does that £50K engagement dress fit into the picture, then, Meghan? KC paid for that - and that's your payment, sunshine.

Stupid woman - talk about unprofessional, and she thinks she's an actress, fgs.

I read about Edward VIII moaning during the First World War to his mother, Queen Mary, that he'd been visiting lots of hospitals on the Western Front and was getting tired of it.

She replied tartly that 'We are the royal family and we NEVER get tired of visiting hospitals!'

I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone thinks it is acceptable, or psychologically healthy, in 2026, to tell a 13 year old that their future is laid out for them and they are going to inherit the crown and everyone will be interested in them and that he doesn’t have a choice. I think in a hundred years or so people will look back and think of this as very cruel.

It isn’t your call though. It is his. And if he doesn’t want it, way down deep in his heart? I’m damned sure W&C will support him should he wish to abdicate.

Because he really does have a choice.

None of us know what the future holds but I’m sure he will make a better fist of his life - king or not - than his bitter uncle.

I would also wonder if his uncle’s behaviour hasn’t spurred him on to do the very best he can for his country. Unlike his uncle.

Chelsy is bloody smashing it.

She really is.

I'm sure it was a lark to date a prince when she was young. Get invited round to the palace, get to meet the Queen and so on. And the profile she gained as a result no doubt has helped publicise her jewellery business, way more than if she had just been an anonymous rich gel from the colonies. But rather than get tied down with that fool, she got herself a handsome, Oxford educated husband and they now seem to have a great life with their three children.

Well played Chelsy. Very, very well played.

I note the matron incident has, unsurprisingly, been skated over....

Hasn’t it just?

I always imagine HAM supporters with their fingers in their ears, eyes closed and going “Nanananana - I can’t hear you!”

Ah but we keep being told he was a child.

That is as maybe.

But a nearly 40 year old man chose to write it.

A man with choices.

Chelsy is doing great & seems so incredibly happy. She was always extremely independent & made the right choice for herself. Her life in Mauritius looks idyllic.

I do believe Harry did love Africa, he & Meghan were only together three weeks & he brought her to his favourite place Botswana.

I don't think Chelsy was ever going to change him, she saw and accepted him for who he was , the baggage & responsibilities that came from being inna relationship with him & it wasn't for her.
However I think had she stayed around Harry would be a very different person now & would still have a great relationship with his family. Also his the precious last year's spent with his grandmother & grandfather would have been much more pleasant .

And this right here is I believe the source of all the protection and defence that Harry receives from his supporters…..many of them can’t seem to separate the ( awful) man Harry is from the little boy they saw walking behind his mother’s coffin….both of them are constantly referred to as young , young couple, young parents, young mother….they are not , they are in their 40s !