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Game of Thrones - S7 TOTAL SPOILERS - for those who know it all

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FanwankTheAbsurd · 06/08/2017 11:54

I thought we could do with a thread for those of us who have read all the spoilers for the full season.

Nothing is not allowed.

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AryaUnderfoot · 06/08/2017 22:51

That stuff about Eastwatch makes sense. I've always wondered how far the Wall is able to stretch into the ocean and whether white walkers can swim/wade. How cold a winter would you need for that part of the shore to freeze? Hmm.

Something quite important:

GRRM said after the publishing of book 2 that some Internet forum members/fans had worked out the end of the story (surely that must have been in the days of compuserve). So that must mean that all characters and storylines introduced after ACoK must be irrelevant to the end of the story. In others words, fAegon is toast, the Martells are not going to amount to anything...

Please forgive my terrible spelling - proofreading. I have shockingly bad eyesight.

ElenaGreco123 · 06/08/2017 22:56

The way things stand I am not convinced GRRM really knows the ending. I am getting so impatient.

AryaUnderfoot · 06/08/2017 23:02

Sadly, I think you're right. I think D&D's ending is the only one we're getting.

It's sad, because I'd love to have known what would really happen to Barristan and Val, who offs Lady Stoneheart, what happens to Shireen and how Sansa finally gets back to Winterfell.

BeyondQueenOfLists · 06/08/2017 23:03

I picture it pretty much how the Great Wall of China ends...

Game of Thrones - S7 TOTAL SPOILERS - for those who know it all
BeyondQueenOfLists · 06/08/2017 23:04

(Though obviously much taller and icier)

BossyBitch · 07/08/2017 05:44

I also suspect the bittersweet ending is they have to remove all the children of the forest type magic from the world to save themselves. So all the undead turn to dust including Jon and the dragons disappear. Danny gets the throne but loses everything she loves.*

That would actually be an awesome ending. But book-Dany at least shouldn't be able to survive this, either. Hasn't GRRM explicitely stated that she is not fire-proof per se but that her surviving Drogos funeral pire was to do with some rather complicated magic stuff? Jon may have died and come back due to magic, but technically she's thus also only alive because of it.

AryaUnderfoot · 07/08/2017 07:12

My main problem with book-Dany getting the throne is that she has proved to be a great conqueror but hopeless ruler. I think it'll probably be another two 1500 page novels before Salver's Bay is in a state where she is remotely able to sail for Westeros!

AryaUnderfoot · 07/08/2017 07:51

Preview for next week's episode is up. Time for Tarly-toast!

Looks like operation grab-a-Wight is in the planning stages. I'm still not convinced it isn't a horribly weak storyline, but I will keep an open mind!

Mrsmartell08 · 07/08/2017 08:17

So the tarlys both def get roasted??

AryaUnderfoot · 07/08/2017 08:49

From everything I've read - including the detailed translations of frikidoctor's episode descriptions - both Tarlys get roasted. I liked Dickon Sad

Mrsmartell08 · 07/08/2017 09:07

Makes sense of the trailer for ep5
Varys telling tyrion he has to find a way to make her listen...
So tyrion obv advised against tarly toast....

BossyBitch · 07/08/2017 10:57

I liked Dickon

So did I. Also, the actor strikingly resembles a much beloved former co-worker of mine. I really don't want poor Luke to be torched. He was a brilliant colleague.

BeyondQueenOfLists · 07/08/2017 13:01

Aww, I also liked Dickon :(

Middleoftheroad · 07/08/2017 13:52

re next week - do we think Dany would hold Jaime prisoner (upon rescue?). All spoilers have him back in KL though. Plus, how would that work with Tyrion?

I'm excited by the ravens and glimpses ofEastwatch next week. Glad Jon knows Bran is alive and at Winterfell. I want to see him reunite with Arya.

BeyondQueenOfLists · 07/08/2017 14:33

Middle, id guess that he is captured and tyrion persuades him to talk to cersei about the wights, so they let him go

Middleoftheroad · 07/08/2017 17:06

That sounds possible Beyond
I want to see the brothers togethet, though hardly ideal circumstances.

HaveToBeSure · 07/08/2017 17:53

I'm utterly utterly convinced that Jon is Azor Ahai and that Dany will be his Nissa Nissa, and that will be the betrayal for love. It's the simplest and most obvious explanation so probably the likeliest- the lingering camera on the Morning Star in series 6 was too pointed and the series has far gone beyond subtle (like the bit with Jorah when Maester Jim said he could use his last night at the citidel as he saw fit and it cut to Jorah looking at his sword and nodding. On Twitter everyone was like 'Jorah was totally gonna kill himself!' A-doy!! He may as well have said "ah yes, my sword. You think I should use my sword. For suicide. My suicide. I should commit suicide with my sword. That sword right over their what I'm looking at. Death by sword suicide."

So yes, I think it will be that simple purely because there have been so many excellent theories that have come to naught, with the most predictable obvious answer always being true. My only query is if they ever mentioned the Nissa Nissa part of the legend in the show? If they did it was never made much of so I do wonder now if it will have any relevance. Part of me thinks it's too late to mention it, especially now Mel is out for the series and Thoros is about to meet death by bear. But a lot of key prophecies have been omitted from the show - were the three betrayals of Dany included? Obviously Cersei's prophecy omitted the valonquar bit which is obviously huge! I wonder why. Perhaps they thought leaving them in would make it too easy for people to predict how it ends but that the story would still work if the events hadn't been foreshadowed.

I've always been perturbed about Cersei telling Cat about her dark haired baby that died. I mean, why did they include that? My best guess is that it was to make viewers feel more sympathetic to Cersei and the state of her marriage to Robert - to show that she had wanted it to work and was driven back to Jaime after it became obvious it wouldn't, and it must have had something to do with underlining the importance of hair colour central to Ned's arc in the first series. But it buggers up Cersei's arc to include this - not least, as pp have said, because Maggie's prophecy specifically said she'd have 3 children (gold shall be their crowns, not black) and Maggie's prophecy shapes her. Did it also mention that her 3 children wouldn't be Robert's? I forget. I know it said he would have more children then she would which confused her (dumbass!)

I think Littlefinger's death will be an anticlimax. Too little too late. He hasn't been a decent character in years - once he left The Eyrie he just lost all essence of himself. Such as shame - a real waste of a once amazing character. He's barely been in it the last few series yet he used to be one of the main players.

I think Dany is being set up to have a lot of potential betrayers: Tyrion (which would actually be a good plot point as I never would have seen that coming). Varys (gotta be the perfumed seneschal). Jon (as per my earlier point). I actually love the idea of Dany being touted as the ultimate queen and revealing herself to be a horrifying let down and despotic with it (the signs have been there since the beginning). For some reason I love the idea of Tyrion/ Varys etc suddenly having a 'shit, we backed the wrong horse' mormont. From such a long build up to Dany as the True Queen it would be a fantastic last twist, really pulling the rug out from under our feet. Also, I always thought Jorah would sacrifice himself for her. I still think he'll stay loyal, but I think SHE'LL sacrifice him to save herself. Not sure why I think that...

AryaUnderfoot · 07/08/2017 18:06

HaveToBeSure I agree with everything you say.... Occam's razor and all that...

On the Maggy prophecy - I can't remember the exact wording but Cersei asks Maggy if her and the King would have children. Her answer was something like 'yes, ** for him and 3 for you). Can't remember the exact number of Robert's children but I suppose that can be read that hers may not be Robert's.

Weirdly, she could have voided the prophecy by not getting rid the baby/pregnancy by Robert (can't remember the full book/show details) but I guess her hatred of Robert and need to get one over on him probably outweighed everything else. I suppose it wasn't until Joffrey croaked that it all started to come true.

Lots of prophecy has been omitted from the show as it just gives too much away. In particular, Patchface's obvious Red Wedding prophecy and the Ghost of High Heart's purple wedding prophecy would have somewhat lessened the 'shock and awe' that those moments would have had onscreen.

Middleoftheroad · 07/08/2017 19:49

Havetobesure It was a bit like Cat's Paw this week. It had so many close ups and mentions that it could have had its own show.

AryaUnderfoot · 08/08/2017 06:50

So, the Golden Company got their honourable mention. I'm sure Cersei is going to cling on to her new identity as fAegon for another few episodes!

ElenaGreco123 · 08/08/2017 08:56
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BeyondQueenOfLists · 08/08/2017 11:50

I woke up in the middle of the night with a bit of a sudden realisation.

Probably a bit "no shit Sherlock", but anyway...

If Dany rides Drogon, and Viserion dies and is ridden by TNK, that leaves Rhaegal - named for Rhaegar - currently without a rider. As if we needed any more clues who it could be...!!

BeyondQueenOfLists · 08/08/2017 11:54

Another thought - if Cersei miscarries and dies, she will have been killed by the little brother/sister of her children...

BeyondQueenOfLists · 08/08/2017 11:56

Cersei: Will the king and I have children?
Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.

Linking Cersei's death to her question about children makes me think this is even more likely...

gotspoiler · 08/08/2017 12:50

Stolen free freefolk. The spoilers for episodes 1 - 4 were more or less 100% so there's no reason for this not to be

Enjoy

We start in Kings Landing, where we are in the dragon pit where not everyone who was in the north is present. Friki says Dany will bring the unsullied and Dothraki incase that Cersei has a trap for her and places her armies outside Kings landings doors ready in case of a trap. Jamie and Bronn oversee KL’s defenses, they see all of Dany’s armies outside KL doors and admire it. Tyrion and the other arrive at KL via ship where friki says Jon asks how many people live in KL (foreshadowing?) Once docked, Tyrion, Jon, Jorah, Dany, Davos, Theon, the Hound (who is the one with the Wight in a cage) as well as Dany’s Dothraki blood riders are awaited by Bronn when they arrive (Friki also mentions that Brienne has already arrived) Brienne and the Hound see each other and Brienne is amazed that the hound is somehow alive…. they talk about Arya…one of the things said is when The Hound asks her if she shouldn't be taking care of Arya, and Brienne replies that 'The only person needing protecting is the one who gets in her (Arya's) way' and this makes The Hound smile, and say that he doesn't plan to be the one to do that." (via green-chili.blogspot.de/p/episode-707.html ) (Brienne knows Arya is a great fighter after they spar in Winterfell earlier this season) …. Another reunion is Tyrion and Pod, Podrick still admires Tyrion and loves him and even says that to him Tyrion is still his lord… when they arrive at the dragon pit which friki says is a giant amphitheater and in this amphitheater are three large tents, where the major authorities will sit (Cersei, Jon, Euron etc.) at this time Friki says everyone starts to arrive(doesn’t say who everyone actually is(people, soldiers or other lords)) which Tyrion feels like it could be a trap and looks around… Cersei arrives with Euron, the mountain (Friki says no Clegane bowl this episode but that they do see each other and that the hound gives him the “one day I will finish you off” (fuuuuuuuhhh) but that’s all that happens between them this season) and Qyburn and they sit. The hound brings the cage that houses the Wight to the middle of the amphitheater, this is when Cersei asks Tyrion where Dany is (Dany isn’t present at this time with the rest of the gang) which is when Dany arrives on top of Drogon and with Rhaegal (R.I.P Viserion) which everyone is amazed, even Cersei and Euron. But then Cersei wonders where the third dragon is, but the person most amazed is Euron by Drogon’s arrival. Tyrion then explains what this reunion is about (friki side notes another reunion is between Theon and Euron which is when Euron challenges Theon is he’s ever going to do anything, if he plans on ever rescuing Yara, he says he will touch on it later) Jon then tries to explain that the great other is real and that they need to unite to come out victorious to which Cersei calls BULLLLSHIIITTT on…. But then The hound opens the Wight’s cage and the Wight comes out like a wild beast towards Cersei but the hound has him chained up and isn’t able to reach her… Cersei is amazed and afraid, this is when the hound starts to demonstrate how a Wight cannot be killed by just chopping it up bits by bits since it continues to moves even when the hound cuts it up, but then Jon yells out that there are only 2 ways to kill a Wight, the first fire, so they set fire to one of the wights arms and the arm stops moving and the Wight finally displays pain… and the second is dragon glass to which Jon uses to stab the Wight and the Wight dies (Friki doesn’t say if the Wight shatters like WW or if they just drop dead) this is the proof that everyone needed to come together in order to survive the long night. This is when Jon Snow’s trailer speech about the long night is coming…. Euron pretends to be afraid (whether we learn of his deception right away is not mentioned but most likely not since friki mentions something about this later) Euron asks how many of these creatures are there to which Jon’s says hundreds of thousands then Euron ask “well can they swim?” and Jon responds “no” so Euron says “well I’m going back to Pyke and leaves and everyone else can pretty much go fuck themselves… Cersei and Dany see the danger together but Cersei says once the long night is over she must still be queen and offers JS to be the warden of the north but Jon then swears an oath to Dany in front of everyone but doesn't literally bend the knee and says ‘he can only serve one queen and that queen is Daenerys Targaryen” Cersei is surprised that a “northern savage” has said this… and for the second time Jon has bent the knee and his queen is Dany… after this Cersei is pissed, leaves and is unwilling to collaborate because she is unwilling to bend the knee to Dany… Brienne tries to convince Jamie to change Cersei’s mind, Jamie says he admires her loyalty to the starks which is when Brienne say “fuck loyalty… it’s about survival… Jamie has seen all this and believes in the long night and will do his best…. Now that Tyrion, Dany and Jon have seen Cersei’s negative response it means they won’t have some of the southern armies as support in the north…. Tyrion heads to the red keep with the mountain behind him… Tyrion and Cersei have a conversation on how she blames him for all the Lannister’s have gone through, how he killed their mother and father blah blah blah (he doesn’t say what else Cersei blames him for) … and Tyrion says there was nothing he could do and that Tywin just wanted him dead so he had to kill him instead (umm sure?) …. Then Tyrion says if I’m so evil why don’t you order the mountain to kill me… Cersei doesn’t give a command because she’s interested in what he will say next…(Friki then says this is for all of us in the FREEFOLK subreddit asking him about Cersei’s pregnancy) he goes on to say that the leaks say she will have a miscarriage or that Qyburn diagnoses her pregnancy but that Tyrion finds out she’s pregnant when Tyrion decides drinks wine and cerci doesn’t (honestly I would honestly think I just got poisoned but to each his/her own) so he calls her out saying she doesn’t drink because she’s pregnant, cerci doesn’t admit this nor does she deny it but her facial expression say “damn I’m exposed” and that’s it regarding her pregnancy…. Tyrion then heads out with Cersei to meet the rest of the people that were in the dragon pit and Cersei tells them that after speaking to Tyrion she will send troops north to help against the WW… Tyrion and Dany talk about how Dany told Jon that she can’t have children, that the dragons are her children, Jon doesn’t care if she can’t have kids…. This is all in the dragon pit and in KL
Winterfell is next, Starting off with Sansa and Little Finger…. Friki talks about how LF has been trying to get in sansa’s head this whole season but he doesn’t give up and LF tell sansa that Arya is dangerous, that why would she chose to come back to Winterfell now, what Arya will do with the letter (try to frame sansa or something) this is LF’s plan to tear the Stark sisters apart…
Dragonstone is next and this is after they leave KL via ships (no BoatSex yet) Dany is in the war room where they are organizing the defense of the north (where will the unsullied go, the dothraki, the north men, the southerners so on and so forth) Friki goes on to say that jorah knows a lot about strategies and about the strategies of the Targaryen kings says they need a defensive strategy not a strategy used to conquer since that’s not what they’re doing (?)…. Theon and Jon speak about the Starks and The Greyjoy’s and how it used to be when they grew up together… Jon asks if he will come with them to the north which theon says no because he must rescue Yara first, Jon tells him he should and wishes him luck… Theon, now knowing Yara is alive after Euron challenges him to come get her at the Dragon pit, goes and tries to rally the remaining Iron Born left in Dragonstone to come with him to rescue Yara…. This is when the fight between the leader of those iron and theon takes place (friki says the iron born kicks him in the nuts a few times but it doesn’t do anything) the iron born leader gives theon a pretty bad ass kicking but then theon gets his shit together (after being taunted and ridiculed by the iron born) and beats him, they form a rescue party and head out to save Yara.
Back to Winterfell, a scene long coming…. Sansa gathers all the northern bannermen and the vale leaders… here when all the lords are present sansa calls on Arya to come forward which is when Arya starts to worry that this is her last day alive, sansa then says it’s time to judge the great treacheries and betrayals that have been done to the north and we will judge the person responsible for them, she looks straight at Arya, sansa then says “you need to tell me how many times you have betrayed the north”.. Arya is can’t believe her sister is saying this to her, sansa says it again “you need to tell me how many times you have betrayed the north, Lord Baelish”…. (fuuuuuuuuhh) at this moment sansa starts to name all his treacheries: “you killed Alyssa Arryn, (talks about the letter from Jon Arryn about Cersei and Jamie’s bastards which LF was also involved in his murder)” this is also when she pulls out the cat’s paw dagger and they ask him if he recognized the dagger which LF said belonged to Tyrion, but that they knew it was his…. Next to Sansa is bran who is the one that has told her all these things (one can only assume there is more) then Bran says “you once told my father ‘I told you not to trust me’ (first season)” LF is shocked when he hears this... then Sansa tells all the lords present how he sold her to the Bolton’s… LF realizes he’s pretty much fucked but he tries to LF his way out by feeding them lies and asking for help from Yohn Royce (vale guy with the oversized armor) and others and Friki says that LF ends up looking pretty pathetic now that he knows he’s pretty much dead… in the end Sansa tells LF “Lord Baelish, thank you for all your lessons” and after she tells him that Arya comes behind him and cut his throat… LF starts to choke in his own blood and falls to the ground holding his throat and dies…
Back to kings landing… Jamie and Cersei have a conversation about the upcoming war…. Jamie doesn’t know that Cersei has no intention on sending her army north and wants the WW to kill the northern armies and their allies…. Jamie is looking at a map of the north and starting to gather the Lannister armies to get ready to go north when Cersei asks him what he’s doing to which Jamie says he’s getting ready to go north with the army which Cersei say “nah they have dragons and troops, they can handle it” (Friki says she’s pulling a tywin) when she tells him that she has obtained an agreement with euron when he pretended to be a coward and said he would go back to Pyke… but instead he was going to travel to Essos to hire the golden company (doesn’t mention with what money) this is Frikis Video on the golden company… (what she plans to do with them we don’t know just yet)… this is when Jamie is disgusted by Cersei and they continue to argue to which is when we see the mountain draw his sword in case things between Jamie and Cersei get ugly (scene from the trailer) after this ordeal Jamie leaves Cersei (fucking finally) we see Jamie leaving the city and on his way out (Friki doesn’t mention whether he had the leftover Lannister army with him) he stops to fix his golden hand and looks back to the red keep which is when the first snowflakes begin to fall on KL…
Back to Winterfell…. Jon’s Origin… Bran is visited by Sam who bran recognizes, asks what he is doing there and Sam tells him he needs to see JS, Bran says he also needs to tell him a lot, Sam asks bran what he needs to tell JS, to which bran says that Jon isn’t Ned’s bastard but Lyanna’s and Rhaegar’s son and that he was born in dorne and that his name isn’t Jon Snow but Jon Sand but Sam tells bran that he is not a sand… that he has seen it in record that Raeghar had his marriage with Elia annulled and married Lyanna which shocks Bran…Sam then tells Bran that if he can see into the future and past that he should go see for himself…which Bran then does, which is the wedding between Raeghar and Lyanna in a forest (not in front of a weir wood, Friki says the same way Robb and Talisa were wed) as he sees this he realizes that Roberts rebellion was all based on a lie because Robert was pissed and said that lyanna was kidnapped (Friki doesn’t state that Robert lied on purpose to get the other lords to back him) as this flashback is happening we are switching back and forth between Raeghar with lyanna and Jon and Dany on the boat (HYPPPEEE) as the romantic scene between Raeghar and lyanna happen we see Jon and Dany’s romantic scene… Jon and Dany enter a cabin together (no words are being spoken) in which they begins to take each others clothes off and have as friki said “EL BOATSEX” (girl in the background “woooo wooo wooo”) (no specific sexual positions or how long our boy JS lasted where mentioned) Tyrion is the only one who notices that they are having BOATSEX… as the BOATSEX intensifies we see the scene where Lyanna is in the tower of joy where she tells Ned that the baby’s name is Aegon Targaryen…(friki then brings out his shirt that shows Jon’s snows picture with the word Aegon underneath it) Bran then says Aegon Targaryen is the legitimate heir to the iron throne…. After Arya and sansa finally make up and reconcile Arya tells Sansa she’s the strongest woman she has ever met and Sansa tells her that she could have never achieved the things Arya has and they make up.
Lastly is the wall, we see these events through the eyes of bran who wargs into a bunch of crows and we are brought to east watch when Tormund and beric are at… we see the army of the dead with the blizzard following them like in episode one outside the wall and Tormund and Beric are shocked as they see this when out of nowhere the Night King flies in on Viserion…. viserion does flybys attacking the wall when he then focuses on one part of the wall and starts melting it and as this happens the wall starts to break apart in a “V” shape, the wall is open to the great other and the episode ends with the NK flying through the wall on Viserion…. Friki says that the wall is breached by fire not by any mark of bran or anything.