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Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

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spstchmu · Today 01:52

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

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thisandthats · Today 08:38

allthingsinmoderation · Today 08:32

Do you think saying sex is immutable and sometimes matters in life and law eg: womens rights to some female single sex spaces in certain circumstances is transphobia?

No it’s not.

But jumping straight to the rape discussion or saying unkind things about blokes in dresses is.

Just like it‘s not islamophobic to say you don’t believe in allah or the qu’ran. But if every time you talk about Muslim people you start banging on about those rape gangs or poke fun at the hijab, that’s Islamophobia.

it’s not hard

spannasaurus · Today 08:39

Differentforgirls · Today 08:31

Source?

Jayney Sutherley

https://archive.is/YySXRarchive.is/YySXR

thisandthats · Today 08:39

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:16

Have you been to prison?

Probably not.

I have.

The sexual exploitation, bullying and mistreatment wasnt coming from trans women. It came from some of the screws, many of the (totally female) inmates and the system itself.

I bet most of you who speak about the plight of female prisoners haven't done a single thing to actually support them. They are just convenient examples for your quest against trans people.

Can anyone list any way they help female prisoners other than supporting single sex prisons (which most women experience anyway).

wow!

please do an AMA thread

Differentforgirls · Today 08:40

spannasaurus · Today 08:39

Not found.

thisandthats · Today 08:41

trikonasanallama · Today 08:18

This was the specific single sex ward case that I was thinking of.

I don't agree that there needs to be a certain number of these cases before we say that self id is unacceptable. This woman was raped and then gaslighted because she was told that a man couldn't have been on the ward. I honestly don't know how you can argue for self id when this has happened.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8d3370fa-a6c1-11ec-8cae-f1e364cbbd1a?shareToken=22cc53ba0e81e4e555da5dc3e7fae6ed

But the point is that man was a rapist. If he hadn’t had access to a single sex ward he would have raped someone else another time. Or just gone into the single sex ward - they aren’t locked.

spannasaurus · Today 08:42

Differentforgirls · Today 08:40

Not found.

Edited

Does this work

https://archive.is/YySXR

Shedmistress · Today 08:42

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:27

Trans women? Probably no different tbh. The issue is with screws and other inmates who are in with the screws. The screws and other staff members bring in most illegal stuff and the rapey ones are usually just butch women with a penchant for teenage girls/young women.

The last thing we are worried about in a female prison are trans women. We are worried about access to healthcare, education, rehabilitation, our children (if we have them) and bullying by staff and inmates. Those are our every day concerns.

I went in prison aged 19 and came out at 22.

Trans women are men who say they are women.

If men being housed with women is not a problem, why do we split the sexes in prison in the first place?

drspouse · Today 08:42

cannibalfish · Today 06:29

Is isn’t different from saying ‘men are biologically designed to reproduce with women’ as an argument against homosexuality. Technically a fact but still doesn’t change the fact that they are gay and aren’t going to do that. Would you go around arguing that point unprompted?

What genitalia a person might have has nothing to do with you, doesn’t change them as a person and makes no difference to anything really. It’s a Mumsnet obsession at this point, I know quite a few trans people, through work and in my personal life, and it really is a non issue in real life.

But gay men aren't replying "we WILL have a baby just us you MEANIE". They aren't thinking that in the first place, so nobody needs to point this out. Lesbians get on with it and find a willing male friend or a sperm bank. They don't need anyone to tell them the biological realities.

Shedmistress · Today 08:43

thisandthats · Today 08:41

But the point is that man was a rapist. If he hadn’t had access to a single sex ward he would have raped someone else another time. Or just gone into the single sex ward - they aren’t locked.

Why have single sex wards at all then? Why have single sex anything?

Glowingup · Today 08:44

drspouse · Today 08:42

But gay men aren't replying "we WILL have a baby just us you MEANIE". They aren't thinking that in the first place, so nobody needs to point this out. Lesbians get on with it and find a willing male friend or a sperm bank. They don't need anyone to tell them the biological realities.

But plenty of mumsnetters have big issues with gay men having a baby, whether through adoption or surrogacy.

spannasaurus · Today 08:44

thisandthats · Today 08:41

But the point is that man was a rapist. If he hadn’t had access to a single sex ward he would have raped someone else another time. Or just gone into the single sex ward - they aren’t locked.

The point is that NHS staff lied to the police for a year that there was no man on the ward so there couldn't have been a rape.

They lied because they had been told that they could not say that the man was a man

Differentforgirls · Today 08:45

spannasaurus · Today 08:42

Does this work

https://archive.is/YySXR

I googled it. One woman. She won her appeal.

Shedmistress · Today 08:45

drspouse · Today 08:42

But gay men aren't replying "we WILL have a baby just us you MEANIE". They aren't thinking that in the first place, so nobody needs to point this out. Lesbians get on with it and find a willing male friend or a sperm bank. They don't need anyone to tell them the biological realities.

No they buy babies through surrogacy or get them through adoption even though they have loads of red flags, social workers and medics know something is wrong with a child and yet nobody does anything because they fear being called 'homophobic'.

Again, this does happen. Recently two men were jailed, one for life, for this exact situation.

spannasaurus · Today 08:46

Differentforgirls · Today 08:45

I googled it. One woman. She won her appeal.

And yet her release was still delayed.

There are more examples particularly in the USA.

Shedmistress · Today 08:46

Differentforgirls · Today 08:45

I googled it. One woman. She won her appeal.

So it did happen then.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:46

thisandthats · Today 08:39

wow!

please do an AMA thread

A what?

callmeLoretta1 · Today 08:47

cannibalfish · Today 06:29

Is isn’t different from saying ‘men are biologically designed to reproduce with women’ as an argument against homosexuality. Technically a fact but still doesn’t change the fact that they are gay and aren’t going to do that. Would you go around arguing that point unprompted?

What genitalia a person might have has nothing to do with you, doesn’t change them as a person and makes no difference to anything really. It’s a Mumsnet obsession at this point, I know quite a few trans people, through work and in my personal life, and it really is a non issue in real life.

It is when that 'genitalia' can be used to RAPE women and girls with...

There is a reason we have male only and female only spaces.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:48

Shedmistress · Today 08:43

Why have single sex wards at all then? Why have single sex anything?

You realise we dont have single sex loos to protect us from rape, right? It's just meant to afford some semblance of privacy by ensuring that only people from the same sex see and hear what you do while in the bathroom.

Shedmistress · Today 08:48

callmeLoretta1 · Today 08:47

It is when that 'genitalia' can be used to RAPE women and girls with...

There is a reason we have male only and female only spaces.

And baby boys.

thisandthats · Today 08:48

Shedmistress · Today 08:43

Why have single sex wards at all then? Why have single sex anything?

A lot of the single sex stuff we have is a hangover from victorian morals. I personally don’t believe having mixed facilities would make people less safe. I just don’t believe crime works like that.

Shedmistress · Today 08:49

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:48

You realise we dont have single sex loos to protect us from rape, right? It's just meant to afford some semblance of privacy by ensuring that only people from the same sex see and hear what you do while in the bathroom.

So it is about privacy not rape?

How does that work in jail cells?

Differentforgirls · Today 08:49

spannasaurus · Today 08:46

And yet her release was still delayed.

There are more examples particularly in the USA.

One woman.

senua · Today 08:49

I haven't RTFT. I haven't got time right now.
But I'll just say: standing up for women's rights isn't transphobia. The cry of "transphobia" comes from men who haven't got any argument apart from "I'll try to silence you by accusing you - without proof - of a phobia."

I note that OP is yet another plop-and-run. They should be banned.

StillgotmyiPod · Today 08:49

Going back to the topic of the OP....

Yes, there absolutely is a problem with racism, homophobia, ableism, transphobia etc on MN.

I've seen posts left standing which categorise immigrants as backwards savages, the disabled as scroungers, gay couples as "not natural", Muslims as paedophiles, and trans people as predatory fetishists (not "just" saying TW are men) etc. When they're reported, MN says "they prefer these to be robustly challenged on the thread". It's lazy and shit moderation.

I don't know if it's because of ideology from leadership or because hatred and outrage generate more clicks and more money. Probably the latter.

It won't stop until it massively backfires on them, for example if someone in the public eye sues them. There was an awful incident last year or the year before where FWR went after a female runner because they saw an unflattering photo of her while she was running and decided she must be trans (she wasn't, she was in fact actually female and a mother of four children as I recall). Apologies were posted but the whole incident has been scrubbed from the site.

One day MN posters will go after the wrong person for whatever reason and MNHQ will be in the firing line.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:50

Shedmistress · Today 08:42

Trans women are men who say they are women.

If men being housed with women is not a problem, why do we split the sexes in prison in the first place?

So we can't argue our rights are being violated when they treat us inhumanely. If they thought men were a real threat to us and that mattered, they wouldn't have male screws.

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