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Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

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spstchmu · Today 01:52

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

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Sandysandybeaches · Today 06:47

It isn’t ‘transphobic’ to not want men, how ever they choose to present themselves, in women’s spaces.
Cannibal - The trans craze in schools is very much on the wane. I’m sure another social contagion will be on the way - ‘‘twas ever thus, sadly. From my experience all of the kids who were trans a few years ago are now through puberty and ‘back’ to being ‘she’. The were all unhappy and had other diagnoses (autism, largely) at the time and it is lovely to see them now so much happier, settled and more confident and thankfully they’ve avoided medical intervention (aka physical harm). How shocking that standing up for women’s rights makes young women ‘social pariahs’ in your world!

Corryvreckan · Today 06:47

cannibalfish · Today 06:40

Those things aren’t rife on Mumsnet. Actually posters here usually care a great deal when they are in the minority group being criticised.

Ageism is brought up constantly here, even when it isn’t relevant.

I beg to differ.
You apparently only notice the issue which concerns you.

Shedmistress · Today 06:48

cannibalfish · Today 06:44

As a member of the LGBT+ community they are absolutely related due to the shared history, oppression and culture.

People with a GRC got the right to marry members of the same sex years before single sex marriage, didn't see any of them fighting for gay rights back then. The T was added to LGB by Stonewall when the threat of funding drying up was on the horizon. You've been sold a lie.

Sandysandybeaches · Today 06:48

cannibalfish · Today 06:44

As a member of the LGBT+ community they are absolutely related due to the shared history, oppression and culture.

And yet other gay people are furious about the ‘forced teaming’.

ExOptimist · Today 06:49

ainsleysanob · Today 06:37

Ah you want the nasty old terfs to just shut up or banned if they don’t agree with you?! There’s a word for that. Censorship.

Quite.

Transphobia is not rife on this forum. I haven't read a single thread where anyone has said that transgender people shouldn't exist or shouldn't be allowed in workplaces or should be abused every time they step out in public.

What I have read, and have been very thankful to read, is people saying correctly that humans cannot change sex, and that even if someone thinks they have, no one else needs to go along with or agree to their delusion.

I've read comments which state, correctly, that transwomen are not women, they are men.

I've also read comments which agree that women only spaces should be for biological women only, not men.

None of those comments are transphobic in the slightest because they are facts and/or enshrined in law.

ainsleysanob · Today 06:51

straighttola · Today 06:45

The thing is, it’s such a non issue in real life.

I am 99.99999% sure I work with a trans woman. It’s obviously impossible to actually know, and it’s not the type of thing you’d ask someone straight up. It doesn’t affect how she does her job, and she just wants to get on with her life. I can’t ever imagine being as angry about it as some people on here are. It’s so overblown.

But you’re one person aren’t you? You’re simply denying that other women have entirely different experiences. Until men, and they are men, are prevented from all women’s ‘safe’ spaces, sports, dressing rooms, changing rooms, toilets or until women can be certain that when they attend gynae appointments, rape crisis centres and women’s refuges that the staff member isn’t a man masquerading as a woman, it will never be a ‘non issue’. That’s not transphobia.

BitOutOfPractice · Today 06:51

straighttola · Today 06:32

Yes, almost every thread will descend into it if left long enough. It’s a really strange obsession

I 100% agree. It includes this thread I see. I have been piled on for objecting to the obsessives taking over threads on all sorts of topics. I mean god forbid you mention M&S in any context. They arrive in droves to tel you off. I have had to hide the feminism board (which makes me sad) because of the rampant and unchecked transphobia.

MostLikelyToLeave · Today 06:53

cannibalfish · Today 06:44

As a member of the LGBT+ community they are absolutely related due to the shared history, oppression and culture.

As a lesbian, who has been called transphobic for not dating transwomen, I would like to see the T separated from the LGB. I know a lot of other gay, lesbian and bi people and the vast majority feel the same.

Biological fact isn’t transphobia! Sexuality is very different to gender identity.

MostLikelyToLeave · Today 06:54

ainsleysanob · Today 06:51

But you’re one person aren’t you? You’re simply denying that other women have entirely different experiences. Until men, and they are men, are prevented from all women’s ‘safe’ spaces, sports, dressing rooms, changing rooms, toilets or until women can be certain that when they attend gynae appointments, rape crisis centres and women’s refuges that the staff member isn’t a man masquerading as a woman, it will never be a ‘non issue’. That’s not transphobia.

Agree.

straighttola · Today 06:54

ainsleysanob · Today 06:51

But you’re one person aren’t you? You’re simply denying that other women have entirely different experiences. Until men, and they are men, are prevented from all women’s ‘safe’ spaces, sports, dressing rooms, changing rooms, toilets or until women can be certain that when they attend gynae appointments, rape crisis centres and women’s refuges that the staff member isn’t a man masquerading as a woman, it will never be a ‘non issue’. That’s not transphobia.

Go and look at the real world, and realise that it is such a tiny thing. Nobody is going about day to day caring about the genitalia of everyone around them.

Shedmistress · Today 06:56

BitOutOfPractice · Today 06:51

I 100% agree. It includes this thread I see. I have been piled on for objecting to the obsessives taking over threads on all sorts of topics. I mean god forbid you mention M&S in any context. They arrive in droves to tel you off. I have had to hide the feminism board (which makes me sad) because of the rampant and unchecked transphobia.

You object to people discussing things on threads that you think shouldn't be discussed? On an open discussion board? Open to the whole world, on the internet?

Shedmistress · Today 06:57

straighttola · Today 06:54

Go and look at the real world, and realise that it is such a tiny thing. Nobody is going about day to day caring about the genitalia of everyone around them.

Men and their behaviour is a worldwide global issue, yes.

straighttola · Today 06:58

Shedmistress · Today 06:57

Men and their behaviour is a worldwide global issue, yes.

The vast majority of the population are not this obsessed with the trans thing. It’s just places like here, but it is slowly being replaced by the illegal immigration stuff. So it is starting to die down.

Soontobe60 · Today 06:59

cannibalfish · Today 06:34

It’s not a competition, both gender identity and biological sex are a part of everyone’s life. Nothing ‘trumps’ anything.

This is also not true from my experience, I work with young people and they are far more accepting and unbothered about these issues than ever before. It’s genuinely a non issue how someone chooses to present themself, they use correct pronouns and are used to interacting with all sorts of different people.

The young people I work with may well use ‘correct’ pronouns (assuming you actually mean the pronouns a person wants you to use rather than accurate sex based ones) but they only do it because they don’t want to be told off. It’s not genuine.

Sparklybutold · Today 06:59

A feeling does not amount to -phobia. It's like saying you are a cat, because I feel you are. It doesn't make it true. To expect to live in a world and demand our feelings don't get challenged or hurt is unrealistic and at it's worse, dangerous.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 07:00

What is wild to me is that they deleted a post about people having BO for breaking talk guidelines, but kept one questioning if being trans is a mental illness.

If I queried whether those who havent had a proper wash before leaving the house ar mentally ill, would that remain? I mean a deterioration in personal care is often an indicator of mental illness.

BirdLandedonmyHead · Today 07:00

The people who are obsessed with gentalia are usually "TRAs".

Most people just care about privacy, safety and fairness.

Wear what you want. Call yourself what you want. Respect others rights. Love who you eant (as long as both (or more) partoes consent). Accept that others have rights to.

Shedmistress · Today 07:01

straighttola · Today 06:58

The vast majority of the population are not this obsessed with the trans thing. It’s just places like here, but it is slowly being replaced by the illegal immigration stuff. So it is starting to die down.

I think if you strip away the labels, you will find the issue is male behaviour. Which women across the globe have every right to be obsessed with, being that it can end up so badly for women amd girls.

Soontobe60 · Today 07:01

cannibalfish · Today 06:44

As a member of the LGBT+ community they are absolutely related due to the shared history, oppression and culture.

Where did you read that? What shared history? What culture? Are you saying all gay men behave in the same way as all lesbian women or all straight AGPs? I’d say that’s a classic case of stereotyping a whole range of people.

straighttola · Today 07:02

Shedmistress · Today 07:01

I think if you strip away the labels, you will find the issue is male behaviour. Which women across the globe have every right to be obsessed with, being that it can end up so badly for women amd girls.

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The issue is women with nothing better to do, sitting on forums like this and being whipped up into a frenzy about something that just doesn’t matter in real life.

Soontobe60 · Today 07:04

straighttola · Today 07:02

The issue is women with nothing better to do, sitting on forums like this and being whipped up into a frenzy about something that just doesn’t matter in real life.

Are you referring to yourself there dear?

Shedmistress · Today 07:04

straighttola · Today 07:02

The issue is women with nothing better to do, sitting on forums like this and being whipped up into a frenzy about something that just doesn’t matter in real life.

Yet here you are...

SaskiaWatkins · Today 07:06

And the occasional antisemitism and racism. But I’ve called that out before and reported it and it hasn’t always been taken down…for a site so large, they don’t have enough moderators, especially in the early hours. I agree with you, it’s not okay.

zen1 · Today 07:07

It is not ‘transphobic’ or ‘bigoted’ not to subscribe to gender ideology.

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