Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

[spstchmu]

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

Have you been to prison?

Probably not.

I have.

The sexual exploitation, bullying and mistreatment wasnt coming from trans women. It came from some of the screws, many of the (totally female) inmates and the system itself.

I bet most of you who speak about the plight of female prisoners haven't done a single thing to actually support them. They are just convenient examples for your quest against trans people.

Can anyone list any way they help female prisoners other than supporting single sex prisons (which most women experience anyway).

Okay, so two examples - both tragic and entirely unacceptable.

Given the issues in male prisons with violence, would you not assume that it’s an inherent problem within our prison system that there is no control over prisoners?

This was the specific single sex ward case that I was thinking of.

I don't agree that there needs to be a certain number of these cases before we say that self id is unacceptable. This woman was raped and then gaslighted because she was told that a man couldn't have been on the ward. I honestly don't know how you can argue for self id when this has happened.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8d3370fa-a6c1-11ec-8cae-f1e364cbbd1a?shareToken=22cc53ba0e81e4e555da5dc3e7fae6ed

I wouldnt be thankful that MN allow people to imply others want people to be harmed jyst because they disagree. It lowers the tone and overall intelligence in this place. Makes it seem like a bunch of uneducated, boorish hooligans populate the site instead of measured, reasoned adults who can express and support their opinions in a civilised way.

It makes us all look stupid basically.

Would adding men into the cells make it worse or better?

There would be many more examples in the future if the policy to place men in womens prisons remained in force.

Luckily, the Scottish prison service has now been forced to change their policy following legal action by FWS

Hypotheticals aren’t a reliable basis to make an argument, I’m afraid.

There was lots of homophobia recently on the threads about the Preston Davey case, with some posters saying only heterosexual couples should be allowed to adopt children and some saying it was odd or a red flag for a gay male couple to want to adopt a child.

Id encourage my 16 year old to train harder and beat the old person. You may instill different values in your children.

So again, it’s one example. So it’s not the case that we are overrun by “men pretending to be women” to rape and assault us, is it?

Wow.

a - actually safeguarding IS done on hypotheticals, we shouldn't be waiting for men to do more violence to try and take actions to prevent this.
B - which hypothetical are you now talking about?

The basis for the argument is not hypothetical there have been assaults and rapes already .

“There will be many more examples if”

really? When the data doesn’t actually point to that at all?

Trans women? Probably no different tbh. The issue is with screws and other inmates who are in with the screws. The screws and other staff members bring in most illegal stuff and the rapey ones are usually just butch women with a penchant for teenage girls/young women.

The last thing we are worried about in a female prison are trans women. We are worried about access to healthcare, education, rehabilitation, our children (if we have them) and bullying by staff and inmates. Those are our every day concerns.

I went in prison aged 19 and came out at 22.

Wow at encouraging your fit teenager to beat a middle aged person on sex hormones?

I didn't say that.

I specifically asked how many raped women you would find acceptable. You have answered that it is more than one.

There are a lot more examples if you care to look, but again, that's not my point - my point is that this one example alone should be enough to ban self id.

I’ve actually not answered that because it is very obvious that no rape is acceptable - a single victim is one too many. If

Source?

But the thing is if we care about stopping rape, preventing men from wearing dresses is just sooooooo far down the list. Why isn’t the mumsnet community more concerned around forced marriage practices? Or revenge porn?

The sad fact is, if a man wants to rape someone, it isn’t hard. The idea that having ladies only loos is some sort of a protection is daft.

I sort of get it.
As a lesbian with very little access to lesbian-only spaces, I don’t necessarily want to be pursued by a man in a dress who identifies as a woman. That said, it’s not a massive issue for me, it’s happened once and I simply said “no thank you.” I couldn't give a shit whose in the changing room / toilet next to me
I don’t want to exclude anyone. I see trans people as cousins within the wider LGBT+ family and I’d much rather we unite than divide. I don’t believe most people would put themselves through surgery and that level of heartache unless they were in significant distress.

Do you think saying sex is immutable and sometimes matters in life and law eg: womens rights to some female single sex spaces in certain circumstances is transphobia?

How do you feel about lesbians being pilloried and abused for not accepting “female dick”? You think that’s acceptable?

Freedom of speech is alive and well on MN yeah!!!!!

A lesbian did a post two minutes before you did.