Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

[spstchmu]

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

Are you always this confrontational? I didn't say it hadn't.

I’d be so interested to know what the “transphobia doesn’t exist” crowd say about the murder of Brianna Ghey, which was motivated by transphobia. A young person, not harming anyone, who was brutally murdered.

Brianna wasn't murdered because they were trans, they were murdered because the one they wanted to kill was unavailable. Brianna was just on a list of many. And it's bloody awful of you to twist those facts to suit your agenda - facts reported by both the media and the police and given as evidence in court. Absolutely fucking shameful of you.

Ask me anything. I bet many people would be very interested to know about prison (if you were comfortable to talk about it).

People on this thread too obsessed with the trans question and totally ignoring your very balanced points!

So women who don't want mixed sex toilets are a hangover from the Victorian age?

Maybe we need to clutch our pearls whilst at it?

One example.

Alexandra Stewart, formerly Alan Baker, complained about a fellow inmate in a women's prison called Jane Southerly allegedly "misgendering" him (yes, him, he is male).

The complaint was dismissed but until it was Jane was kept in prison until well after her release date.

Incidentally, the same Alexandra Stewart, formerly Alan Baker, has been charged with the sexual assault of a fellow inmate at a women's prison.

"A transgender prisoner serving a sentence for murder has been charged with the sexual assault of a fellow inmate at a women's prison.
Alexandra Stewart, previously known as Alan Baker, allegedly attacked the woman at HMP Greenock.

Stewart - a biological male who identifies as a woman – was jailed for the murder of John Weir in 2013 and has been held in a women's unit in the prison since 2016."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4glne43101o

We all know men can’t become women. It’s a matter of common sense and science. Do t kid yourself,

The point of being in jail is the loss of your human rights. They think it's humane enough that only other women/men witness the degradation you are subjected to.

Stating a objective truth that one cannot change sex is not transphobic. This is where the conflict lies.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/mixed-gender-changing-rooms-magnet-sexual-predators-5HjdPCR_2/

Crime does work like that

So all the women on this thread who have no problem with trans people are actually men?

You stated 'Source' without any context, are you always this confrontational?

How does the 'single sex spaces' being about 'privacy' not rape work when women are locked in jail cells with men?

Maybe you should speak to the victims of these males or a rape survivor like me and say males in women and girls changing rooms 'doesn't matter':

It would be overrun by people speaking about trans people in prisons when it wasn't even an issue that arose and nor does it factor now. I volunteer for a charity that supports female prisoners with children so still have a lot of contact with current prisoners. None of them have ever raised this as an issue. I can list loads of other things, mainly barriers to healthcare.

agree.

I think it’s possible to be gender critical (common sense)

and also kind.

But people aren't debating over using single sex spaces because they like the decor or ambience. Ultimately it boils down to safety and having protection from biological men who are the common threat. It's not about wanting people to come to harm, but accepting that this is about conflicting rights. If you come down on one side of the argument then there will be serious consequences for the other side. Shying away from this and pretending it's just about dresses and identity is totally disingenuous.

Women only spaces are safer, primarily because men aren't in them. Transwomen are biological men, this is fact and this should never be offensive to acknowledge openly. There have also been recorded incidents of transwomen attacking women in single sex spaces so again it's fact that admitting transwomen to women only spaces increases the risk to women. So in a sense, if you support trans women accessing women only spaces you are suggesting that the consequent loss of women's safety is a sacrifice worth paying. You might consider the impact to be minimal but still it's undoubtedly true that women are safer in spaces where no biological men are present. One rape or attack as a result of allowing transwomen into these spaces would be too many for lots of women.

What is also true though is that trans people are vulnerable to attacks when they are forced to use spaces that don't align with their identified gender. If you don't want to allow trans women to use women's toilets and there is no 'third' option then transwomen are at greater risk using men's toilets. This is a natural consequence of wanting women's toilets to be used by women only. Biological men are also the biggest threat to Transwomen. If you support keeping women's toilets for biological females then you have to accept that you are placing some transwomen in more danger.

What you can't do is take a side in this debate and then pretend there are no adverse consequences for any party.

Women won't raise it as an issue, due to being given sanctions for raising it as an issue, as evidenced earlier.

Because trans women are seen as women to some extent, obviously. And tbh, many women agree with that anyway. It isn't a pressing issue for female prisoners overall.

It absolutely is misogyny.

This is exactly what I was thinking reading through this thread. The old ‘if a man is going to rape a woman, he won’t let a sign on a door stop him’ argument. Women have their own spaces to protect them (and for reasons of dignity.) It’s not a foolproof system obviously, but it does mean that a woman doesn’t lose precious seconds wondering whether she’s permitted to be wary of, or take evasive action from, the bloke who has just walked into her safe space with malicious intent.

I didn't ask you though...

The person I asked kindly provided one.

You’ve really peaked my interest. I’ll do some research and work out what i can do today. You’re absolutely right that if women care about other women or prisoner’s rights we should be putting our energy where it actually makes a difference

Yet you are the one who cannot accept feminist arguments.

They are not seen as women to 'some extent', they are all men.

Men ARE in them. There are no prisons where every person is female. Warders, cleaners, caterers, etc etc etc,