FWR

[MarsScarlet]

FYI: I've name changed for this to avoid a pile-on.

This post is about the overwhelming negativity and hostility with the FWR board that new posters and posters with a differing viewpoint face if they attempt to use the board.

There is a persistent group within the board that are, to put it simply, hateful towards others. Despite posting there on and off for more than 4 years, I have never felt welcome, despite not holding any particular extreme views or being abusive to others. Without exception, I am accused of being another poster, or a man, a TRA, or some kind of paid activist. This occurs again and again until I leave a thread in frustration.

I’ve seen this happen to many other new posters. Few return. Why would they? Such an acidic atmosphere doesn’t encourage healthy discussion. I’d just like to discuss women’s rights, but this board makes discussion impossible.

I’m not exactly sure what the answer is, except for @MNHQ to request the board to tone down the rhetoric a bit and back off on any new names they may see on the board. Let people engage with you rather than actively drive them away.

Mumsnet, am I allowed to post a selection of personally attacking posts from other users on the FWR boards? These would be direct quotes from them time and date stamped, eg: ones like:

Gender Critical Disputes - Radical Notion special edition free to read online
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By Ereshkigalangcleg·
06/02/2023 22:45
@WinterDeWinter is either one of the most unselfaware posters I've ever come across, or a tedious, disingenuous, goady attention seeker.

(I am not WinterDeWinter) it was just one example I came across quickly in a search.)

Here’s one from this thread -

‘Nope. I just don't hate trans people because you're telling me to.’

I think the main problem with FWR is that one side has facts and logic, and the other doesn't. The side that doesn't, does not like having that pointed out to them time and time again, nor do they give up using the same tired arguments time and tie again. Som the wheel keeps turning, and accusing posters of being mean is all they have left.

I 100% agree

Absolutely this. And then it’s wash rinse repeat.

(I am not WinterDeWinter) it was just one example I came across quickly in a search.)

Sure you did. How about you post what I was replying to, so people can make up their own minds?

I wouldn't dream of writing anything like the comments I've read. They can, and do, go too far, too often. It's indefensible.

To actually demonstrate what you are trying to say , we would need to see what that poster actually posted to receive that reply !

Because at the moment it doesn't seem to be a particularly unpleasant post .

How interesting you posted an example about a poster that was given numerous suspensions for their behaviour on threads and may have been banned, because of their behaviour.

Interesting @Helleofabore

Context is key. What did WinterDeWinter say? Maybe they were posting in bad faith and being tedious and disingenuous and were rightly called out?

Indefensible if you can’t even post them as evidence.

Well you didn't quote them in your own original post, but sure, why don't quote the post you are replying to, I am assuming you feel it warranted your deeply personal attack?

And of course people can read the entire thread to establish the whole context, the link in my post leads to it.

No, I can't post comments that have been deleted.

Post the vile, unpleasant stuff you’ve seen then.

I don’t think it’s a big ask to back up accusatory statements such as this set out to negatively tar a lot of posters.

Why don’t you summarise what they said then, if they were so vile?

Ain't it just. And there was me thinking it was just us grumpy bigots who didn't want to be corralled out of sight. Although I'm quite pleased that it hasn't worked out as the banishers intended.

Well you didn't quote them in your own original post, but sure, why don't quote the post you are replying to, I am assuming you feel it warranted your deeply personal attack?

She called us "Farage Feminists" for precisely nothing, as you'll find out if you read the thread. Hope that helps.

I distinctly remember a poster (who i have never seen before or since) insist that the Feminist Chat be created as 'we can't create the threads we want to discuss on FWR', force through the board split by an apparent email onslaught to MNHQ and then directly tell you (Arabella) and indirectly anyone with GC views to 'fuck off back to your own board'. I saw that and thought OK and have avoided Chat ever since. And whenever I click a thread on Feminist Chat by accident, which has somehow made it onto Active, I wonder why all the replies are fucking batshit and then realise why.

And then we get footstamping complaints that the Feminist chat board is too quiet!

Cutted.up.pear indeed.

Why don't you quote her posts directly as they stand, so people can see?

Context is key. What did WinterDeWinter say? Maybe they were posting in bad faith and being tedious and disingenuous and were rightly called out?

Everyone is free to read what an absolute state that thread was, and I invite them to do so.

The board was not created only for those who agree with the main people posting on the board. It was always for everyone. But people posting act as if they control the board. And they kind of do as they are consistently rude and bullying to anyone who disagrees with them.

In. A. Nutshell.

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Yes. I remember too.

Be more feminine. Exam your behaviour. Get off the board that we gave you because you aren’t nice enough. also do not respond when you are called a vile unashamed racist(from the thread posted earlier directed at Erish hence her response was not out of nowhere)… because you aren’t the kind of woman we want to hear from. OK.

I honestly thought this would be an interesting discussion. I even thought of some topics to start in chat to try to get us all talking… then I checked chat and saw the Bindel thread.