FWR

[MarsScarlet]

FYI: I've name changed for this to avoid a pile-on.

This post is about the overwhelming negativity and hostility with the FWR board that new posters and posters with a differing viewpoint face if they attempt to use the board.

There is a persistent group within the board that are, to put it simply, hateful towards others. Despite posting there on and off for more than 4 years, I have never felt welcome, despite not holding any particular extreme views or being abusive to others. Without exception, I am accused of being another poster, or a man, a TRA, or some kind of paid activist. This occurs again and again until I leave a thread in frustration.

I’ve seen this happen to many other new posters. Few return. Why would they? Such an acidic atmosphere doesn’t encourage healthy discussion. I’d just like to discuss women’s rights, but this board makes discussion impossible.

I’m not exactly sure what the answer is, except for @MNHQ to request the board to tone down the rhetoric a bit and back off on any new names they may see on the board. Let people engage with you rather than actively drive them away.

i don't have an answer for that, and not because I'm not being obtuse, i genuinely meant it when i said i don't have the energy.

I'm disabled, in pain and subsequently in severe energy debt and my brain is about done with trying to be coherent for a while, and i know I'm tying myself in knots trying to verbalise my thoughts now (hence this taking so long to reply to, and me having to abandon giving you a decent/thought out proper reply. my apologies.

I'm not ignoring anyone elses posts to me btw, I'm going for a much needed nap.

Yes. I remember that Arabella, you were. I think several of us were told this at the time.

The threads about it were indeed a 'campaign'. We have also been told by others who were actively campaigning for it that they 'campaigned' for it.

Perhaps you were not aware of what other posters were doing. Your version does seem to be quite different from what I remember.

We had a group of people agitate hard for Chat to be created, crow about it being created, tell us to fuck off off of it, report posts on FWR to be moved onto Chat because Chat was too quiet, and then have spent the past four years complaining that we don't post on it.

Now people are complaining that they don't like what people post on the board they've had hidden for years?

Cutted. Up. Pear.

I remember specifically that the reason for the split was to hive off discussions that people did not want appearing on the feed for the board they were reading. And every single thread that inadvertently was posted in the Chat board that even mentioned S&G was reported to be moved.

The posters who were interested in discussing Sex and Gender were told that they were not feminists. They were also told that they held a hateful minority view and should stick to their hateful board.

So you'll get the usual posters calling you a man, or a TRA.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Posters who claim to be gender critical but actually aren't stick out like sore thumbs.

then you'll get others who lie about what you have said,

This is DARVO. If any group of posters lies and misrepresents what others have said, it's the TRAs and #bekinds. It's happening on this thread.

I hid AIBU for that reason. Note how I've not started a thread demanding that AIBU be tone policed.

Exactly. You can literally just say you think that it's unfair for males to compete in women's sports, and you'll have a TRA come on and say, "So what you're saying is that you don't want trans people to exist?" Happens all the time. How are people not seeing this?

I'm really sorry to hear that. It just slightly smarted after the board was told off for apparently always saying 'go and google it'!

I can't actually tell if FWR is busier now, or if many threads cover similar ground, and/or if there's more open disillusionment with the Left that it becomes more lazily 'left vs right' more often.

I don't dip in as much mainly for those reasons - if it's busier, you can't really go away for a morning and catch up later - and your post might get lost in it. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. I remember a particular well respected poster announcing they were leaving for sort of similar reasons, and that stays with me.

In fact, in addition to the posters who were posting on FWR at the time, some of those same posters that I still see posting on AIBU when ever a thread about Sex and Gender appears there had their say too. They joined in on those site stuff threads with the same posts they still post.

They post along the lines of : "Why do MN allow these threads?" "These threads are transphobic, MN is transphobic" "I am sick of seeing threads like this on MN" "Go back to your own board". Because they, personally, cannot even scroll past a thread that they might not agree with.

They were also told that they held a hateful minority view and should stick to their hateful board

Ah but that we just could be left to it

The thread yesterday that may have instigated this thread was very much "have you thought about X?" and when answered with "yes we bloody well have, and here's the data" got a response of "you hateful meanies!!" How very dare FWR to be about Feminism and Women's Rights.

Discussion isn't aggression, but I suppose if you're a big fan of appeasement and affirmation it might seem like literal aggression.

I had to search for the reference. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/1301196-If-my-3yo-had-access-to-AIBU

😂😂😂

OP you are accurate and nothing will change. Anyone who does not 100% agree with the posters on FWR gets called a man, a troll, a shit stirrer, a transactivist.
They should just rename the Posie Parker support board.

To be honest, I'm still trying to get my head around this part. Can you clarify what you mean about the bolded bits? Always willing to learn how to be more feminine from a random poster.

It's an excuse to say 'it's our space - we don't have to be feminine there.' Because that's what you're saying isn't it - you've given yourselves the permission to be more male in your response patterns.

Simply not true - or if you think it is why don't you paste some quotes from FWR to demonstrate this? After all, content like this is not abusive, so it will not be deleted, therefore you will be able to find it and back up what you are saying. We can wait.

I can collate some of the abuse I have experienced if that would help, although it will be on the tamer side as Mumsnet has deleted a lot of the more extreme abuse. I might need Mumsnet permission because obviously that will 'name names' which they don't see to want us to do here.

I've been called that (a man) once, on one thread. I'm a regular and I don't agree with everyone of everything. I found it faintly amusing but it did not contradict my point so I was able to ignore it.

Does that seem unreasonable to you? I can't quite fathom why that means I support Posie Parker. Can you explain?

I can't really be arsed to trawl through a bunch of old threads, maybe someone else has some examples ready? It absolutely does happen though. If you choose not to believe me, that's fine. I'm not in the habit of saving posts. I think anyone who's spent any time on FWR knows how it goes down though!

You are totally right.

You should back up what you're saying - it's not hard, just use search terms in the search box to find what you're describing. It won't be deleted because it's not abusive, it will still be there. Go ahead.

Before anyone does this, what number of posts will be acceptable to you to prove it happens?

You first.

And will you admit that you were lying if such a post can be provided? Just to save us all time when you make excuses about how what you posted wasn't what you meant.

I've personally seen some vile comments directed at people who dare not to toe the party line. And I don't mean the typical boisterous behaviour you get on AIBU. I mean really unpleasant stuff.

There's a reputation for a good reason and there's very good reason for it to be now sequested. I remember the days when this was all over the boards. It was wretched.

I can see this thread is full of the same self congratulatory posters as ever. If there was a high five react, it would be getting hammered right now. There's no question that anyone will actually examine their behaviour.

I don't see any examples of gangs of trans women hanging around the loos trying to post their giant bearded heads under the cubicle doors, but I'm supposed to believe in that, right?

Not exactly the same but in a similar vein , on this very thread , just posted with no previous mention of transgender people!

Not the point of the thread , not in reply or reference to any other poster's comments!

There's no question that anyone will actually examine their behaviour.

Are you planning to examine yours?