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Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

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GoldMedallist · 29/07/2024 22:03

Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2024 15:45

There were loads of dog whistles coming from the RW racists out in force last night. Not to mention the spreading of crazy, racist conspiracy theories and disinformation.

Disgusting people who lie, seek to cause more problems and exploit the victims of this atrocity for their own fucked up ends are scum.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 16:09

Towerofsong · 30/07/2024 15:32

You reckon?
Antisemitism comes from the far right and the far left. And from Islam too.
The far right are more honest about it, the far left dress it up in codewords and using revised tropes and dogwhistles.

The far left are far scarier than the far right, in my opinion.

What are the Far left codewords? I already listed some far right ones.

Across Europe, at present, the Far Right are the bigger threat. They also seem to be omnipresent on social media.

If we were in South America we might face a range of different threats. But when we borrow ideas from the Ametican Right that socialism is extreme and ljberal ideas a threat, it becomes a bit laughable.

I've yet to see a Far Left post on MN but, in the spirit of some posters on this thread perhaps you could offer examples of dangerous Far Left lexical choices or ideas, seen on MN.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 16:12

Supersimkin7 · 30/07/2024 13:52

🤣

@KreedKafer you win thread by virtue of finest, funniest argument.

‘woke’ and ‘north London’ are not anti-Semitic or racist code. They’re used adjectivally to rib drippy liberals, of which I am one.

Paranoid Prejudice Hunters - if you care, why not do something irl to help victims? No, thought not.

Do some googling, or even ask some Jewish people, about the recurrent use of North London as an insult.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 16:14

Supersimkin7 · 30/07/2024 13:52

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@KreedKafer you win thread by virtue of finest, funniest argument.

‘woke’ and ‘north London’ are not anti-Semitic or racist code. They’re used adjectivally to rib drippy liberals, of which I am one.

Paranoid Prejudice Hunters - if you care, why not do something irl to help victims? No, thought not.

PS, twas I not the poster you tagged.

PandoraSox · 30/07/2024 21:15

And now this. The agitators got what they wanted. From the BBC:

Less than two hours after the Southport community met to mark a minute’s silence, just a few streets away from that vigil location the air was pierced by smoke canisters, jeers and rocks raining down on riot police.

Hundreds of protesters gathered near a local mosque attacking the front of it, throwing bricks, bottles and rocks, many with hoods up and scarves hiding their faces.

Families living nearby who had come to see what all the noise was all about feared for their safety as stones flew past and police officers rushed to put on riot gear and pick up shields.

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 21:17

Why why why would anyone want to make such an impossibly sad situation even worse for that community. Hasn’t everyone there suffered enough?

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ErrolTheDragon · 30/07/2024 21:23

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 21:17

Why why why would anyone want to make such an impossibly sad situation even worse for that community. Hasn’t everyone there suffered enough?

They don't give a fuck, just their own nasty agenda.

MissyB1 · 30/07/2024 21:36

There shouldn't be any threads speculating about the horrific incident in Southport. The home secretary herself, the Merseyside police, and other local officials have all asked that there be no speculation on social media. It's unhelpful, disrespectful to the families, and stirs up those who will happily weaponise the situation to push their own agendas. And yet we see exactly that on this forum.

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2024 21:49

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 21:17

Why why why would anyone want to make such an impossibly sad situation even worse for that community. Hasn’t everyone there suffered enough?

Because they’re arseholes. I’m really ashamed of my country tonight.

DontBiteTheCat · 30/07/2024 21:51

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2024 21:49

Because they’re arseholes. I’m really ashamed of my country tonight.

Me too. It’s sickening.

@MNHQ why are you not taking down all threads relating to Southport?

SwedishEdith · 30/07/2024 21:59

KreedKafer · 30/07/2024 13:44

I think the issue is that Mumsnet is really, really bad at spotting the kind of dog-whistle racism that extremist posters sometimes use. So they will ban someone who posts 'AIBU to think that most [people from specific ethnic group] are rapists?' but they won't ban someone who posts a blatantly fabricated post about how they took in a refugee who claims benefits despite being a millionaire, refuses to work, slags off Britain all the time, demands that her daughters cover their hair in presence and calls her a cunt every morning at breakfast.

There's always been a sort of wilful naivety by MNHQ about racist agitators posting. It's a cesspit at the moment on any of the threads about Southport. A disgrace. I'm surprised MN aren't more concerned about their brand and what this makes them look like.

Stumped7 · 30/07/2024 22:00

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 12:28

The worst antisemitism comes from the extreme right but the left has serious problems in this area too. See also: misogyny.

Have you asked Jewish people if they agree with this?

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 22:05

Jewish people are not a homogeneous mass with a single shared point of view. You know what they say, two Jewish people three opinions.

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Stumped7 · 30/07/2024 22:09

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 22:05

Jewish people are not a homogeneous mass with a single shared point of view. You know what they say, two Jewish people three opinions.

But why do you think you know better than them? This is a very very strange observation to make given the current climate. Y'know, the fact that Jewish people are afraid to even leave their homes because of left-wing antisemitism in London at present, to avoid areas where far-left marches are taking place... Jewish schoolchildren are being told to stay home and hide any visible signs of Judaism because of these left-wing activists who are terrorising them in their own city.

blackcherryconserve · 30/07/2024 22:15

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 12:20

I report antisemitism which is enduringly popular at both extremes.

Thank you. Much appreciated that you understand it comes from both extremes. Policing MN can be exhausting.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 22:18

It is and I don't understand why there aren't teams of mods looking at threads the minute they start when they are about sensitive or legal matters.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 22:19

Bingo... one has just gone. Again.

DontBiteTheCat · 30/07/2024 22:19

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 22:19

Bingo... one has just gone. Again.

Every single one of them needs to go.

Stumped7 · 30/07/2024 22:19

blackcherryconserve · 30/07/2024 22:15

Thank you. Much appreciated that you understand it comes from both extremes. Policing MN can be exhausting.

Far-right anti-semitism exists and it's evil.

However, on MN I have seen entire anti-semitic threads with strong left-wing bents. I've yet to see any right-wing anti-semitic comments public on this site (I'm sure they're there, but they must be fewer and deleted very quickly, because people are so much slower to spot and call out left-wing anti-semitism, and because it is far more widespread in the current climate).

AccountCreateUsername · 30/07/2024 22:19

Southwestten · 30/07/2024 12:17

Op do you also complain about far-left posts?

They aren’t usually racist. Hth

blackcherryconserve · 30/07/2024 22:20

Stumped7 · 30/07/2024 22:09

But why do you think you know better than them? This is a very very strange observation to make given the current climate. Y'know, the fact that Jewish people are afraid to even leave their homes because of left-wing antisemitism in London at present, to avoid areas where far-left marches are taking place... Jewish schoolchildren are being told to stay home and hide any visible signs of Judaism because of these left-wing activists who are terrorising them in their own city.

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She doesn't think she knows better than us (I am Jewish) We are the butt of both extreme Left and Right Wing. Currently the Left wing are pursuing a vicious anti Semitic vendetta on the back of the situation in Israel and Gaza but they are kindred spirits with Right wing anti Semites who hate anyone who is 'different'.

blackcherryconserve · 30/07/2024 22:21

Stumped7 · 30/07/2024 22:19

Far-right anti-semitism exists and it's evil.

However, on MN I have seen entire anti-semitic threads with strong left-wing bents. I've yet to see any right-wing anti-semitic comments public on this site (I'm sure they're there, but they must be fewer and deleted very quickly, because people are so much slower to spot and call out left-wing anti-semitism, and because it is far more widespread in the current climate).

They hide in plain sight.

Stumped7 · 30/07/2024 22:24

AccountCreateUsername · 30/07/2024 22:19

They aren’t usually racist. Hth

😂

The Far-Left are the most intolerant, narrow-minded, hateful group of hypocrites. Historically, the crimes of Left-wing dictatorships have at least equalled those of the right. The far-left are not less susceptible to racism. They are terrible perpetrators of it.

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 22:24

‘Worst’ wasn’t well phrased. I mean more blatantly obvious. It’s left wing antisemitism that has pushed me right of centre.

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DontBiteTheCat · 30/07/2024 22:25

Stumped7 · 30/07/2024 22:24

😂

The Far-Left are the most intolerant, narrow-minded, hateful group of hypocrites. Historically, the crimes of Left-wing dictatorships have at least equalled those of the right. The far-left are not less susceptible to racism. They are terrible perpetrators of it.

I thought we were talking about comments on Mumsnet?