Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

[GoldMedallist]

Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

The Jewish Chronicle doesn't agree.

https://www.thejc.com/news/nigel-farage-accused-of-perpetuating-conspiracy-theories-linked-to-antisemitism-vadaz8cz

Anyway, off thread and I'm not sure how we got here really as this was about Far Right posters on MN and specifically Islamophobia in the context of the OP.

Well we got here because the discussion naturally evolved from being about Mumsnet being slow to deal with the influx of far right posters and it was then pointed entitled out that MN have also got a terrible blind spot in dealing with perpetual antisemitic posters, who are not actually far right. But quite relevant to the thread nevertheless.

Dont be ridiculous. Racism isn’t a central tenet of the far left. Hth.

There's been high volumes of "Bad Actor" activity around the murders coming from abroad. Countries hostile to the UK are stirring it.

All those "patriots" spreading lies and RW conspiracy theories proudly proclaiming to know the truth all over Mnet are responsible for the disgusting scenes in Southport tonight.

Deleted one SM account today after reading the unfactual vitriol from groups of people who are the savages they claim we’re invaded by. MN may be next.

I agree op. Mumsnet seems infested at the moment. It's disgusting.

It's a convenient derail.

And shows a possible reason why Farage has said some pro Israel/Jewish things recently. In my opinion he has calculated that being pro-Jewish enables him an easy route into prejudice against the much bigger Muslim section of the population, as well as a way to bash "the Left".
It seems cynical, and very little to do with actually being concerned about Jewish people.

Can't stand him. He's part of the reason why we are seeing the kinds of scenes we say last night more and more.

Also known as "whataboutery"

Oh how interesting that you think that.

It's a thread about the far right. We saw last night what they are doing. Various posters are trying valiantly to bring up the "far left" and talk about that instead.
Goodness knows why they want to ignore what the far right are doing, it's like saying "women are violent too" on a thread about family annihilation

Well we got here because the discussion naturally evolved from being about Mumsnet being slow to deal with the influx of far right posters and it was then pointed entitled out that MN have also got a terrible blind spot in dealing with perpetual antisemitic posters, who are not actually far right. But quite relevant to the thread nevertheless.

The far Left certainly did pick on certain groups, as a totalitarian power structure the Soviet Union murdered those with a faith.

According to some sources, the total number of Christian killed under the Soviet regime owing to their faith has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.
In the 1930s, during the period of Stalin's Great Purge, thousands of Muslim religious clerics were arrested and executed. Between 1929 and 1941, the vast majority of the country's mosques were shut down.

Since Xi came to power in 2013 in China, the government has banned evangelization online, tightened control over Christian activities outside of registered venues, and shut down churches that refuse to register. He has also ethnically clensed the Uighur muslims and put them in concentration camps.

I have just read this statement from Patrick Hurley, MP for Southport. I think it is very pertinent to what has been happening on this site:

Hurley told Times Radio:

Because of the propaganda and the lies that were being spread around on social media from within minutes of the news breaking on Monday afternoon about the tragic incident.

We’d had all sorts of lies being spread and misinformation being spread about the alleged perpetrator and some people with the best of intentions then they tried to rebut this, they tried to argue back, but all that happens is you’re just amplifying people’s false messaging.

This misinformation doesn’t just exist on people’s internet browsers and on people’s phones. It has real world impact.

And what happened is that the real world impact of that was that we then had hundreds of people descending on the town, descending on Southport from outside of the area, intent on causing trouble, either because they believe what they’ve written, or because they are bad faith actors who wrote it in the first place, in the hope of causing community division.

No. We got here because some people are very keen to wave away the far right rioting and generally being cunts with "the far left are a problem too".

It's extremely tedious. If there is an issue with far left agitators on mumsnet start a thread on it and stop derailing this one.

Of course that is all true but can you explain how that is seen in posts on MN? Of the kind we have seen in the past weeks.

Really interesting BBC article today on the growing rise of potential terrorists who are drawn to violence and have no fixed core ideology or belief. And how the Internet spurs it on.

The week before last I reported a post that was racist. I got a reply from a staff member at MN saying they've checked it over and it all looks ok! I honestly couldn't believe their response.
I had to reply back quoting MN's own terms of service and their chat rules to specify and prove that their rules had been broken. Luckily, it seemed like I wasn't the only person who reported it and in the end it did get taken down.
I have no faith in the moderator team after that.

Why should age make you ‘edge to the right of centre’ ?
I’m getting on a bit and associate a lot (not all) of so-called ‘left of centre’ ideas with compassion…have you become less compassionate with age?

You need to have a look at some of the posters on this thread @BeckyAMumsnet . I really can't report them all I would be here all day.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5131463-totally-disgusted-by-those-rioting-in-southport

Are you talking about far right posts, or is it just that an honest analysis of the problems we are currently facing makes you uncomfortable? Fwiw, I was at the Southport vigil last night totally oblivious to the fact that a man carrying a knife and a balaclava was being arrested just around the corner. The horrifying Southend riot last night was far worse but we seem to be concentrating on the one with white perpetrators.

Nope not derailing - it's all relevant to the discussion. This is a thread about Mumsnet not banning agitators. And if you'd actually bothered reading the full thread I also discussed the far right agitators, and then the thread naturally evolved because like it or not, it's part of a wider problem on here.

Anyway, you sound like someone who would argue with their own shadow and you're boring me now so I'll leave it there.

Is the EDL [who were in action last night in Southport] not 'far right'?

The rioting started some time later around Hart St away from the peaceful vigil you say you attended

I hope not. It’s just becoming more difficult to find a political home. My priorities are a reduction in all social inequalities, women’s rights, fighting antisemitism and racism. Currently this divides me against myself as I hate cancel culture and believe in good faith free speech. It’s how it is now isn’t it? Everything is so polarised and combative.

Hi. I am uncomfortable with the far right lies being peddled on that thread and the speculation being posted that is against the contempt of court guidelines which MNHQ has asked us all to abide by.

The EDL turned up prepared to riot. The arrest of the man with a weapon is not the reason they rioted, is it?