Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

[GoldMedallist]

Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

OK, so referring to ' their type' , to calling people 'woke leftie commies' to referring to 'North London' pejoratively, deliberate clouded references to 'Cultural Marxism', linking to banned films etc. Describing all adherents of one race or belief as being the same. Posting and spreading fake statistics or inaccuracies, deliberately.

I am referring to a different thread than OP.

With some of these, unless you knew they were anti semitic tropes you'd be none the wiser but that's part of the point.

I've also recently seen a rise in fairly overt homophobia.

Once you let it slide, MN becomes easy pickings and a target site for spreading ideologies.

OP, sadly what was inevitable was that posters would land on your thread to tell you you are wrong.

No site should want to be targeted by agitators.

It seems to be heading that way.

We discussed that a little further up the thread, but I started this conversation in response to an influx of far right agitators. In the past I’ve raised similar concerns about far left antisemitism, although I’ve largely given up on that as MNHQ show far less will to challenge it.

The problem is that it’s a delicate balancing act. Yes, racist posts should not stand. But when facts come out that then seem to validate people’s fears, the racists then take a stance of ‘See, we told you and ‘they’ tried to stop us telling the truth’
And the fact that all the suspicions, claims and accusations happened before the facts is forgotten by many. Only the idea that others are using the label ‘racist’ to shut down those expressing concerns.
All some will focus on is that the killer is the child of Rwandan refugees who settled in Cardiff and moved to Southport. That will be enough to fan the flames.

This. Free speech is all very well but when a platform is becoming a breeding ground to encourage or spread hate towards immigrants or other minority groups, then I'm all for a strong level of moderation. Because these comments then play out in real life.

Yes the name was ridiculous and it was mad to see how many people were jumping on that and also the dinghy rumour, like it was gospel.

These Boards are moderated by MNHQ. They get to decide which posts stand and which don't, and which posters get permanently banned. The rest of us get to decide whether the way in which Boards are moderated is acceptable to us or not.

If people are unhappy that insufficient action is being taken to combat racism, they can leave. Several posters have indicated that they are considering this.

If people feel that debate is being shut down by over-zealous moderation, they too can leave and take their discussion elsewhere.

Nobody has an absolute right to "free speech" on these boards. Ultimately, it is a business decision for MNHQ that they will take in line with their values as a company and with consideration of the impact on the business. Those of us who don't want the place to be taken over by far right racists are simply making our feelings clear.

The other hugely important thing about last night’s agitators was the threat to the judicial process. It’s essential that the perpetrator faces justice, whether that’s lengthy imprisonment or involuntary treatment for a psychiatric illness. It is not difficult to spot who does and who does not care about the importance of a fair trial and a safe conviction.

Absolutely. There are reporting restrictions for a reason.

I think the issue is that Mumsnet is really, really bad at spotting the kind of dog-whistle racism that extremist posters sometimes use. So they will ban someone who posts 'AIBU to think that most [people from specific ethnic group] are rapists?' but they won't ban someone who posts a blatantly fabricated post about how they took in a refugee who claims benefits despite being a millionaire, refuses to work, slags off Britain all the time, demands that her daughters cover their hair in presence and calls her a cunt every morning at breakfast.

100% agree with this
I have also had one of my posts removed for calling a racist comment or racist even though the racist comments made by said racist poster was removed as hate speech!

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@KreedKafer you win thread by virtue of finest, funniest argument.

‘woke’ and ‘north London’ are not anti-Semitic or racist code. They’re used adjectivally to rib drippy liberals, of which I am one.

Paranoid Prejudice Hunters - if you care, why not do something irl to help victims? No, thought not.

It’s not all bad!
At least Maduro won the election in Venezuela.

lol

What a time to be alive

'North London' is an antisemitic dog whistle as well, used by both left and right. Just because you think it's funny doesn't mean it's not true.

My two pennyworth - can MN ban Emmacc24 who* made several *disgracefully racist comments on this thread,
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5131014-a-third-child-has-died-in-southport?reply=137162143]]

I second this.

@BeckyAMumsnet it might be helpful to know a little more about the process, is it a few strikes and then you’re out or are decisions made more on a case by case basis?

I got put on the naughty step for three instances of troll-hunting. Surely racism is a bit more serious than that.

And it's not MNers who are posting in good faith. It's an influx of twats from other sites. You don't see them in the Litter Box or Style and Beauty. Just any thread about race, and FWR.

I agree!

This is Site Stuff where posters address their concerns directly to MNHQ. MNHQ know what racist shite they deleted because they deleted it. In at least one case the thread was deleted because of racism and hate speech, according to MNHQ.

Nobody is saying that everyone is racist or everyone is far right here. That's made up shite.

I agree. The threads last night were the worst I have ever seen mumsnet. It was disgusting but it is something that has been creeping in more and more lately. Mumsnet really needs to get a handle on it.

100 % this.

You reckon?
Antisemitism comes from the far right and the far left. And from Islam too.
The far right are more honest about it, the far left dress it up in codewords and using revised tropes and dogwhistles.

The far left are far scarier than the far right, in my opinion.