Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

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Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

Because what one person might class as racist might actually not be.

Yeah this

@BeckyAMumsnet Can I suggest that any 'contentious' threads are closed overnight, with a message saying don't start any new ones?

Those threads last night were an absolute cesspit.

I reported countless comments and the threads stood for hours afterwards. After almost 15 years I’m ready to disable my account here.

@BeckyAMumsnet there is a problem with inconsistent moderation at times. Sometimes the racist/right wing disinformation posts will be zapped, other times we will be told we should "challenge" them.

Well, that's for MN to judge, isn't it? If they don't agree that it's racist, then they won't delete it.

It seems that what you're actually asking for here is for posters to post the racist bile that they reported and that MNHQ subsequently deleted so that you can explain to us why you don't think it's racist after all?

Depends how you define "worst". Explicit antisemitism then yes, definitely the far right and especially historically. The far left's is more insidious and coded, but is spreading like a wildfire and becoming more explicit. A lot of Jews would say it is presently a worse threat than antisemitism from the right. I mean, you have far left folks out on the streets showing support to terrorist groups like the Houthis whose official slogan is "curse the Jews". So I'd say that's a pretty dangerous place we find ourselves in with the far left.

No I'm asking for examples not screen shots or exact replicas.

For example - a poster discussing issues that happen in a persons home country then that person doing the same here - would be classed as racist by some. When in fact there is a valid correlation and normal for people to discuss.

If it was a post that was humiliating or degrading a person on the colour of their skin or ethnicity then - yes I agree it was racism.

I could start a thread and say ‘last night that thread was awful and MN had to delete lots of posts’

But OP hasn’t give any indication what kind of posts or thread - just ‘racism’. Or even if posts were actually deleted.

I don’t buy in to the narrative that everyone is racist or every one is far right on here because MN is typically left wing. This is not X and posts get shut down pretty quick IME

I feel this.

The OP has already confirmed that everything she reported was deleted. So MN clearly agreed that the content of the posts was racist. There shouldn't be any need for us to give examples so that you can argue the toss about whether or not they should have been left to stand.

And literally nobody is saying that "everyone is racist". They are merely that there are a lot of far right posters posting racist shit and asking MN to do more to tackle this.

I agree and this is what pushes me right of centre. I think by worst I mean more blatantly obvious.

Look at what was being widely reported about Prevent by national broadsheet newspapers earlier this year following the Shawcross review, a journalist (Fraser Nelson) who writes in the Spectator was branded as being far right by civil servants working for Prevent. I read his column every week: he is sensible, balanced and not far-right. There is a real danger to our as society, if political correctness causes us to be incapable of calling out jihadist and fundamental islamists for fear of being called racist. Go down that route and you will see the growth of the far-right as a reaction to censorship and accusations of islamophobia.

So, OP is the posts have been deleted, what is the problem?? Sounds as though you'd like to cherry pick who is allowed to post and who is not. That smacks of censorship, no?

There was an influx of far right agitators last night, not very subtle, using yesterday’s awful news from Southport to spread hostility and lies about asylum seekers in general. You would know it if you saw it I’m sure. I’m no sympathiser with or apologist for Islamists, I just prefer the facts to get in the way of prejudice.

If people are repeatedly posting racist material that has to be deleted, I have no issue with "censoring" those posters personally.

The posts were deleted but the accounts were not banned at the time of this OP so they continued inciting hatred.

@Dancingmonkeyfeet So if posters were making assumptions that a criminal must have been of a certain ethnicity before anyone knew anything about them, would you not agree that's pretty racist? And then devoting pages trying to argue they can't have been 'home grown' actually, when the only thing that's been disclosed is where he's from in the UK - would you not consider that racist too? Because that's what was happening, when the discussing could and should have been centred on how awful the attack actually was and the families of the victims, rather than obsessing over whether the attacker was born here, there or wherever.

No, not really.
The talk guidelines are pretty clear. If a user persistently and repeatedly breaks those guidelines then MNHQ is perfectly correct to remove their membership of the site.

Yes I really agree with this.

Verysadcase - That still amount to censorship. Have you not read the above discussion? What amounts to "rascist" can be subjective. You end up making people wary of discussing anything substantive for fear of having the finger pointed at them. It is reductive and not helpfully to open debate.

Generally I’m not a fan of censorship but there is a difference between a discussion of opposing views in good faith and a concerted campaign to ignite racial or religious tensions.

For example last night a name was circulating that was as ridiculous as Johnny Jiggle-Wiggle sounds in English along with falsehoods about said Johnny Jiggle-Wiggle arriving illegally via dinghy last year when in fact the actual perpetrator was born here to parents who had come from a predominantly Christian country.

If Mumsnet descents into Farage land, I'm out.

Absolutely correct.

I agree the moderation is inconsistent. Antisemitism is often allowed to stand along with ageist, disablist and racist material. It’s not perfect here, or anywhere.

What about far left extremism?
At least please try be an equal opportunist goady mumsnet police officer