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MNHQ here with an update on our recent moderation decisions

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KateMumsnet · 09/08/2017 13:44

Hi all

We thought we should come and address some of your recent points about our moderation, and particularly the worries you have about whether MNers have been taken in by a troll over the last few months, and how MNHQ has handled the issue.

Lots of you have probably missed our previous posts, so the plan is to bring everything together in one place and explain why we’ve been pretty firm about shutting down speculation on this case. We missed an opportunity to do so earlier and it’s led to lots of confusion - we’re very sorry about that, and we want to put it right now as far as we can.

So this is where we’re at: we don't have any evidence to suggest that a fraud has taken place, or that any MNers have been conned. As far as we can tell – and we have looked as carefully as we’ll ever be able to – the poster in question is the person he says he is: the father of a little boy whose mother has just died.

As we’ve said before, we can’t be 100% certain of anyone’s real life identity - it's simply not within our capabilities to know whether the person we’ve spoken to on the phone and via email and who’s been posting on the board is the same as the person of the same name and circumstances who exists elsewhere on the internet. What we do know is that we haven’t seen anything to suggest that money that kind Mumsnetters have donated has been misappropriated or misused - if we had, we would of course have involved the police.

Because MNers are understandably worried and upset, the idea has taken hold that wrongdoing has taken place. But, to be completely clear and to the best of our knowledge - it hasn’t. If you have evidence to the contrary, please get in touch with us immediately.

There have been deletions all over the shop on this - we know this must be incredibly frustrating and that loads of you still have questions and worries that you want to discuss. But we hope you’ll understand that we just can’t allow speculation or conjecture: the consequences if we do are too dreadful, for the family concerned on the one hand, but also for MNers, who are legally responsible for things they say on the boards which turn out to be unfounded.

Two posters have said on the board that they’ve received messages, off Mumsnet, which they felt were inappropriate and worrying - one of these posters reported this direct to MNHQ. We’ve been back to her, of course, but she's now told us definitively that she does not want to pursue it further and has de-regged. The conversation she describes did not take place on MN, and so there’s nowhere further that we can take that, unfortunately. We’ve of course been through the PMs on the account in question and there is nothing there that we’d characterise as harassment of any kind.

Despite all this, we suspended that individual’s account a few days ago, simply because we felt that his continued presence on MN was unlikely to do him, or MNers, any good.

We do see why the existence, for example, of a JustGiving board got people’s hackles up - but again, that’s quite a different thing from actual fraud of which we have zero evidence (and once again, please do bear in mind how serious an issue that would be, and that MNers are responsible for their own posts.)

What we really, really don’t want to do is to shut down discussion about the principles of the matter and our policies on this and other things - and when JustineMumsnet gets back from her break we’ll of course be debriefing her on the many points you’ve made (both on current and deleted threads, which we’ve been through with a fine tooth comb).

One thing that we’ve already done is to change our policy on links to crowdfunding/fundraising sites unless they benefit a registered charity - we agree that moving one of the threads in question to the Charities Noticeboard was a miss-step and that definitely won’t happen again.

We’re also looking really hard at what we say on the boards to reassure users who are worried about a potential troll - in retrospect, we shouldn’t have said that we’d gone above and beyond in checking this case out, because that implies that we can definitively validate any identity, and we can’t.

We really do want to hear what you think, and we listen hard to things that are pissing MNers off - recent examples are the changes underway on usernames1234 and the removal of the T-bar ad on mobile. We consistently turn down more ads than we take. We don’t and never ever will take money from tabloids for our content. We still put purpose before profit, and that’s not going to change - it's why a lot of the MN team have chosen to work at MN Towers. We do have to be sustainable - we’d all be out of a job otherwise - but it’s really worth having a look at the other place if you haven’t recently, to see what really chasing commercial gains looks like: it’s intrusive ads and a lot of sleb gossip.

We hope this helps to clarify our position a bit; do please do put your general thoughts here on this thread - we’ll be listening and we’ll try to help clarify anything that we haven’t covered here. Please do take on board what we’ve said about conjecture though - we’ll have to delete speculative posts if we see them here or if they’re reported on other threads.

Thanks

MNHQ

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Mychildcouldnotbreaatfeed · 10/08/2017 13:43

Powered. Seriously. Write it all down in an email and send it all to the staff here.

Floralnomad · 10/08/2017 13:44

woolly , that's fine but if it is discussed here this will be another thread that gets deleted

woollyminded · 10/08/2017 13:50

Flora, fair enough. But I stand by my point that it's not necessarily true that no-one's interested, or an implication that to be interested suggests mouth foaming over investment. In following this saga I am learning a lot about people, online identities, digital business and little snippets about end of life care (which to be honest has mostly been very reassuring)

PassiveAggressiveFloofiness · 10/08/2017 13:50

I think it's fair that MNers get given a heads up on what MNHQ's position is on recent events. MNHQ have done this and tried to answer questions as best they can legally, albeit this discussion is a little late in peoples' eyes.

But MNHQ have done this now and asked posters to respect it. Contacting them if you believe you have helpful knowledge of the events is fine, I think you should go for it. Posts like powered's are so far over the line though, gratuitous details of space occupying lesions (next to posts finding it all "interesting" although I know that was an unfortunate cross post) are tasteless, thoughtless and crass, with the potential to very much upset anyone affected.

Floralnomad · 10/08/2017 13:54

Absolutely agree

CloserIAmToFine · 10/08/2017 15:24

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CloserIAmToFine · 10/08/2017 15:27

To be clear, I'm not saying it's MNHQ's job to solve the mystery. They've done all they can reasonably be expected to do in that respect. In fact, it's almost a conflict of interest. If the real facts came out it would just perpetuate the shitstorm MNHQ is so desperate to contain. I don't blame them at all for leaving it at this.

But I still want to know.

SerfTerf · 10/08/2017 15:35

I agree Closer

PollytheDolly · 10/08/2017 15:52

Confused as ever Confused

PandorasXbox · 10/08/2017 16:31

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PandorasXbox · 10/08/2017 16:34

And wtf if you're interested? Who cares.

SussexMist · 10/08/2017 16:35

Naughty naughty

SussexMist · 10/08/2017 16:37

How amusing I seem to have become a target of the Reddit Witchfinder General....fame at last

Beelzebop · 10/08/2017 16:43

Thanks for your time.

SussexMist · 10/08/2017 16:52

Short of someone employing Magnum PI, no-one will know...!

SerfTerf · 10/08/2017 16:54

Good to chew it all over and feed it it into your trolldar, though.

SussexMist · 10/08/2017 16:57

Jesus...so I am a troll after 3 or 4 posts on this thread? Holy crap ....

Firefries · 10/08/2017 16:58

Fair enough Powered but MN aren't discussing it anymore. It has been played out over and over and now it's just accepted that whatever the mystery it remains a mystery. This is an anonymous forum. If you are concerned about anything else just raise it but i think that's it for this topic Abdul as others say somewhere a family is grieving. It's time to move on.

LegArmpits · 10/08/2017 16:58

Bleep bleep!!!!!!.....#bleepbleep

PandorasXbox · 10/08/2017 17:00

Wtf is going on with this thread?

So very strange.

SandyMumsnet · 10/08/2017 17:00

Hi all,

Just a reminder that if anyone has any concerns or information about this situation, could they please not speculate on the thread and contact MNHQ directly at [email protected]. Thanks.

SussexMist · 10/08/2017 17:02

Exactly. No-one has a bloody clue but are enjoying being Miss Friggin Marple.

Firefries · 10/08/2017 18:15

lol I meant to say raise it with MNHQ nothing to do with Abdul Grin. Blimin autocorrect

LegArmpits · 10/08/2017 18:36

Abdul 😂😂

PandorasXbox · 10/08/2017 19:00

That's pretty funny Grin

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