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MNHQ here with an update on our recent moderation decisions

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KateMumsnet · 09/08/2017 13:44

Hi all

We thought we should come and address some of your recent points about our moderation, and particularly the worries you have about whether MNers have been taken in by a troll over the last few months, and how MNHQ has handled the issue.

Lots of you have probably missed our previous posts, so the plan is to bring everything together in one place and explain why we’ve been pretty firm about shutting down speculation on this case. We missed an opportunity to do so earlier and it’s led to lots of confusion - we’re very sorry about that, and we want to put it right now as far as we can.

So this is where we’re at: we don't have any evidence to suggest that a fraud has taken place, or that any MNers have been conned. As far as we can tell – and we have looked as carefully as we’ll ever be able to – the poster in question is the person he says he is: the father of a little boy whose mother has just died.

As we’ve said before, we can’t be 100% certain of anyone’s real life identity - it's simply not within our capabilities to know whether the person we’ve spoken to on the phone and via email and who’s been posting on the board is the same as the person of the same name and circumstances who exists elsewhere on the internet. What we do know is that we haven’t seen anything to suggest that money that kind Mumsnetters have donated has been misappropriated or misused - if we had, we would of course have involved the police.

Because MNers are understandably worried and upset, the idea has taken hold that wrongdoing has taken place. But, to be completely clear and to the best of our knowledge - it hasn’t. If you have evidence to the contrary, please get in touch with us immediately.

There have been deletions all over the shop on this - we know this must be incredibly frustrating and that loads of you still have questions and worries that you want to discuss. But we hope you’ll understand that we just can’t allow speculation or conjecture: the consequences if we do are too dreadful, for the family concerned on the one hand, but also for MNers, who are legally responsible for things they say on the boards which turn out to be unfounded.

Two posters have said on the board that they’ve received messages, off Mumsnet, which they felt were inappropriate and worrying - one of these posters reported this direct to MNHQ. We’ve been back to her, of course, but she's now told us definitively that she does not want to pursue it further and has de-regged. The conversation she describes did not take place on MN, and so there’s nowhere further that we can take that, unfortunately. We’ve of course been through the PMs on the account in question and there is nothing there that we’d characterise as harassment of any kind.

Despite all this, we suspended that individual’s account a few days ago, simply because we felt that his continued presence on MN was unlikely to do him, or MNers, any good.

We do see why the existence, for example, of a JustGiving board got people’s hackles up - but again, that’s quite a different thing from actual fraud of which we have zero evidence (and once again, please do bear in mind how serious an issue that would be, and that MNers are responsible for their own posts.)

What we really, really don’t want to do is to shut down discussion about the principles of the matter and our policies on this and other things - and when JustineMumsnet gets back from her break we’ll of course be debriefing her on the many points you’ve made (both on current and deleted threads, which we’ve been through with a fine tooth comb).

One thing that we’ve already done is to change our policy on links to crowdfunding/fundraising sites unless they benefit a registered charity - we agree that moving one of the threads in question to the Charities Noticeboard was a miss-step and that definitely won’t happen again.

We’re also looking really hard at what we say on the boards to reassure users who are worried about a potential troll - in retrospect, we shouldn’t have said that we’d gone above and beyond in checking this case out, because that implies that we can definitively validate any identity, and we can’t.

We really do want to hear what you think, and we listen hard to things that are pissing MNers off - recent examples are the changes underway on usernames1234 and the removal of the T-bar ad on mobile. We consistently turn down more ads than we take. We don’t and never ever will take money from tabloids for our content. We still put purpose before profit, and that’s not going to change - it's why a lot of the MN team have chosen to work at MN Towers. We do have to be sustainable - we’d all be out of a job otherwise - but it’s really worth having a look at the other place if you haven’t recently, to see what really chasing commercial gains looks like: it’s intrusive ads and a lot of sleb gossip.

We hope this helps to clarify our position a bit; do please do put your general thoughts here on this thread - we’ll be listening and we’ll try to help clarify anything that we haven’t covered here. Please do take on board what we’ve said about conjecture though - we’ll have to delete speculative posts if we see them here or if they’re reported on other threads.

Thanks

MNHQ

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Ginslinger · 10/08/2017 10:43

actually PAFloofiness I was thinking fondly of the days of PARD the other day - although they didn't last long.

(Polite and Reasonable Discourse)

Maybe I was too quick to jump in above ^^ but ......whatevs

PandorasXbox · 10/08/2017 10:53

But Honey was rude Ginslinger and not polite or reasonable. What do you think Kate should have said, nothing? She made a valid point imo.

Ginslinger · 10/08/2017 11:18

the way I read it - and I accept that I may be getting this wrong - is that Honey had pointed out the thread in question in several reports and on several different threads and that it had been allowed to stand and that's why she was shorter than she should perhaps have been.

Peanutbutterrules · 10/08/2017 11:20

It was a particularly vile thread which, I suspect, was part of Honeys frustration. It stayed up for a very long time considering the contents.

SecretNutellaFix · 10/08/2017 11:21

Considering Rebecca had already addressed Honey, there was no need for Kate to have said anything.

PandorasXbox · 10/08/2017 11:42

What even if Honey asked again why that thread was still up?

poweredbybread · 10/08/2017 12:17

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PandorasXbox · 10/08/2017 12:30

For goodness sake. Have you read any of the messages from MNHQ this last week powered?

poweredbybread · 10/08/2017 12:35

I have

poweredbybread · 10/08/2017 12:38

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PandorasXbox · 10/08/2017 13:06

And you think MNHQ are going to say " oh wait power yes we will divulge to you what checks we've done "

Really?

Mychildcouldnotbreaatfeed · 10/08/2017 13:09

For all my disquiet about how the mumsnet staff have handled this the feelings of mumsnetters are not in the same league at all as those of the family.

Ffs. Catch a grip.

poweredbybread · 10/08/2017 13:16

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PandorasXbox · 10/08/2017 13:19

Why bother posting then? Confused
I don't understand you. It's like you're tying to rehash everything when we've been told numerous times what MNHQ's understanding of events are.

poweredbybread · 10/08/2017 13:25

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SussexMist · 10/08/2017 13:31

Due to the exceptional rarity of head and neck cancers metastasizing to the spine, there is a paucity of good randomized controlled trials into the management of spinal metastasis.

woollyminded · 10/08/2017 13:35

Bit technical for me that. Are you saying we don't know enough about these sorts of tumours to be able to know whether or not he was being truthful?

Floralnomad · 10/08/2017 13:36

powered , I doubt anybody new is either interested or particularly bothered , and if you are that bothered about MNHQ then leave , equally nobody really cares . However can you stop trying to derail this thread , if you want to hash out the rights and wrongs of that thread go to wherever the rest are discussing it .

poweredbybread · 10/08/2017 13:39

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woollyminded · 10/08/2017 13:41

I'm interested Flora. You can make judgements on why you think I'm interested and whether it justifies a discussion, but I am actually interested in the events that have brought us here. I'm also interested in MN side of things, how they see the function of this site and how a company gets in and out of a shitstorm. It's all very interesting.

PassiveAggressiveFloofiness · 10/08/2017 13:41

Powered for fucks sake can you show a teeny bit of good judgement and common sense here?!

Do you rarely think your most recent posts on this thread are of benefit to anyone? I will hold my hands up and say for personal reasons I'm personally a little bit sickened by your posts despite your "I'm sorry".

There is no need whatsoever for your posts and your tasteless posts are at best thoughtless and at worse offensive. If you want to believe you are Columbo, email MNHQ directly with your important thoughts that you feel you just to have to share.

Show some fucking discretion for fucks sake.

PassiveAggressiveFloofiness · 10/08/2017 13:43

Sorry gin I meant to say YY to PARD.

I feel I may have let the PARD side down a little with my last post though. I shall report and hide methinks.

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