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SIL Xmas gifts - disturbing epiphany

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Finallyseenthelights · Today 05:20

NC’d bc previous threads would make this outing.

As it’s approaching the festive season I’d like to ask for advice please. I’ve been with DP well over a decade. Every year his sister gives me some vaguely weird or semi-unsuitable type of present. It’s not that they’re horrible, just a strange choice I guess.

Apart from a few instances they have generally been toiletry based. One year she gave me a massive gift box of body shop stuff all in one scent. It wasn’t awful, but as I said to my partner - what if I hadn’t liked it? I’d never mentioned liking it to her and she’d never asked. Surely you’d put the feelers out before choosing a specific thing like that?

There’s been other similar stuff, usually from somewhere ok, like joules or next, but to me, toiletries is a risky, cop out gift generally unless you know exactly what the recipient likes, as it’s subjective while also requiring very little thought usually.

For years I’ve asked for vouchers which have been agreed on, then she’ll get me something completely left field - like recently, tickets to a family theatre trip in 6 months time - it actually clashed with my nephew’s bday but she hadn’t even bothered to check to see whether we could do the date. Needless to say we’ve always bought her and her partner exactly what they’ve asked for. I’ve said we should but partner doesn’t want to rock the boat.

We have a set budget which encompasses bdays as well as xmas. I struggle to find a specific thing I like for this amount but last year I found 2 items from a shop I like which were low in stock. I’ve asked for things in the past for our children’s presents which haven’t been bought in time so I decided to buy them myself before they were sold out. I messaged to say I’d done this and did she want to give them to me as a present? (she’d asked what I wanted). I even offered to send them with her parents for her to wrap and send back with them if she wanted to do that (I know this sounds weird but I guess it’s the same as sending them to her address after ordering them) - I stressed that obv this wasn’t necessary, i could wrap them myself and put with the other family presents (she can be funny about the whole process of gifting and I don’t want to offend). I pointed out it was one less thing for her to worry about as she’s usually very busy.

At first she was fine with this. Then a few days later she text to say that actually she wasn’t, that part of the enjoyment for her especially at xmas was thinking about family and what they’d want and getting this etc and that it was nice to be surprised…. This after years of telling us exactly what she, partner and kids wanted and us complying. Confusing but hey ho. What was also weird was that I always put a lot of thought into gifts for everyone. If she gave me a generic item I’d try and get an interesting version of it, which she’d loved (genuinely). And when this happened, some years she’s got me a token bday present - which is weird bc these xmas gifts are meant to include them (my bday is a couple of weeks after xmas).

Anyway, I had a somewhat disconcerting epiphany last year which upset me at the thought of ‘wow this is such CF’ery I can’t believe it’s true’, while at the same time, ‘of course it’s true - how could I possibly have not seen it before?!!!’

We receive our presents AFTER xmas, when the in-laws retune from their visit to her.

When I say…… she’s a teacher……..

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To state the bleeding obvious - am I the only one thinking she’s been re-gifting me presents her students have been giving her for the last 15 years??????!

How would you feel if this was you and what would you do for this xmas? It may not be true, but it is isn’t it.

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cannynotsay · Today 05:37

She’s regifting isn’t she that was my first thought. Also she maybe doesn’t have the money. Be kind. Accords the gift and move on.

Dandeloosha · Today 05:41

You’re really overthinking this. It’s just a present. I can’t rarely even remember what people bought me. You can’t tell people what to get you. That’s rude and grabby. It’s like telling people what they can or can’t write on their own social media accounts.

Lostthetastefordahlias · Today 05:44

This is all madness just agree to just do gifts for kids from now on. No way would I be spending this amount of time thinking about whether my sister in law has complied with some weirdly transactional gifting arrangement between adults. Just enjoy each other’s company at christmas and leave this strange arrangement behind - she clearly does not want to invest in it.

Alltheusefulitems · Today 05:45

Honestly I wouldn't think anything of it but then I also wouldn't think twice about giving my SIL a bodyshop basket of the same scented products 😬

JustChillin70 · Today 05:50

A massive gift box of Body Shop toiletries doesn’t sound like a gift I would expect a teacher to receive from a pupil, so I wouldn’t assume it was a regift from there. Don’t teachers usually just get tons of mugs, candles, chocolate, etc.
I definitely think you’re overthinking this. Just match her style of gift giving if it bothers you that much or just draw a line under gifting each other things at Christmas.

Finallyseenthelights · Today 05:51

cannynotsay · Today 05:37

She’s regifting isn’t she that was my first thought. Also she maybe doesn’t have the money. Be kind. Accords the gift and move on.

The thing is we have absolutely no problem not doing adult gifts, or lowering the amount- she doesn’t want to. So we spend £80 on her and her husband and they spend £40 max on the pair of us - how is that fair?

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JustChillin70 · Today 05:52

She can’t stop you lowering the amount you spend

Finallyseenthelights · Today 05:52

Dandeloosha · Today 05:41

You’re really overthinking this. It’s just a present. I can’t rarely even remember what people bought me. You can’t tell people what to get you. That’s rude and grabby. It’s like telling people what they can or can’t write on their own social media accounts.

The thing is - she IS telling us what to get her, and her entire family, which we do bc she says she will do the same. She rarely, if ever does.

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Finallyseenthelights · Today 05:56

Lostthetastefordahlias · Today 05:44

This is all madness just agree to just do gifts for kids from now on. No way would I be spending this amount of time thinking about whether my sister in law has complied with some weirdly transactional gifting arrangement between adults. Just enjoy each other’s company at christmas and leave this strange arrangement behind - she clearly does not want to invest in it.

Exchanging gifts between adult relatives isn’t that weird is it? And she’s the instigator of the rules. We follow them and if we step outside them she doesn’t like it, but they don’t apply to her. She’s not a horrible person, but it’s weird most years bc she asks what we’d like and says she’ll get it then doesn’t, or we agree vouchers for everyone and she’ll get some bizarre, un-related gift or a selection of hand cream and body lotions 🤣

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Finallyseenthelights · Today 05:57

JustChillin70 · Today 05:52

She can’t stop you lowering the amount you spend

I’m happy to take birthdays out of the £ but it’s my partner’s family so I can’t dictate how much he wants to spend on them

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CuteHANDBAG · Today 05:58

I’d just leave it all to my husband and not worry about it. If you get a crap first then it’s mildly annoying but who cares.
A body shop gift is a very normal gift. I wouldn’t get that as a present and I wouldn’t want it as a present but lots of people do. Same with boots gift sets type of gifts.
Easiest things to not give it any thought and let your DH deal with it.

Finallyseenthelights · Today 05:58

Alltheusefulitems · Today 05:45

Honestly I wouldn't think anything of it but then I also wouldn't think twice about giving my SIL a bodyshop basket of the same scented products 😬

Do you like her, and if so do you know she likes that type?

Edited to add I may well be your SIL 😆

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Yello24 · Today 06:00

This is one of the reasons we stopped doing adult gifts many years ago.
Some may be regifts, some may be thoughtless grabs when she sees a promotion.
Anything other than adults just getting exactly what’s on a list results in waste but just swapping items from a list is pointless and transactional. That’s how we framed our conversation about stopping gifts. Too much waste.
I still often get gifts for my family. When I see things I know they’d love I just give them spontaneously. Or pay for lunch or tickets or an outing or something, Just stop this swap of pointless stuff for the sake of it. Say it’s for the planet.

Itsthewoluff · Today 06:01

So send her generic body shop stuff and lower the budget. Is she says anything, say that you thought she liked surprises. Then agree to either stop completely or actually buy what you agree on.
It would be easier to just to buy for the children and choose what you want to buy.

OuijaBoard · Today 06:04

You're spending a lot of energy worrying about behaviour that's probably never going to make sense unless you challenge her outright, point out that she does not follow through on her "side of the bargain", and ask her why (and even then you may not get a useful answer). If I read this right your partner doesn't want to say anything (or have you say anything) to avoid "rocking the boat"? In that case, I'd (1) stop participating in discussions with your SIL and her family on who'll buy what for whom (2) let your partner buy the gifts for SIL and her household even if he wants to say they're from both of you (3) thank her for whatever she gives you and donate it (women's shelters, etc. often take unopened toiletries and such) if you don't want it. If it's really stretching the budget (I'm assuming you and your partner have combined finances) then show him you need to lower the amount on Christmas gifts for this family - for financial reasons, not because they give lousy (or possibly regifted) gifts, because you already know he's not going to be willing to deal with that.

Finallyseenthelights · Today 06:07

CuteHANDBAG · Today 05:58

I’d just leave it all to my husband and not worry about it. If you get a crap first then it’s mildly annoying but who cares.
A body shop gift is a very normal gift. I wouldn’t get that as a present and I wouldn’t want it as a present but lots of people do. Same with boots gift sets type of gifts.
Easiest things to not give it any thought and let your DH deal with it.

This would be the adult NT method. I’m ND and it’s the disparity in fairness that pisses me off I must admit. I don’t mind not doing presents, or setting the limit to below a tenner. But for us to spend £80+ on her and her husband and her pretend to do the same when we’re not well-off is shitty behaviour. My partner will pay it bc he’s a good man and doesn’t want to upset anyone but I’m annoyed for him, and if she is literally sending over some student cast offs she doesn’t want and I’ve not asked for I will admit at being hurt that she hasn’t bothered to make more of an effort, petty as that sounds. To tell her directly - please stop sending toiletries (or generic teacher gifts) over is a difficult conversation to have.

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bearinthebigbluespouse · Today 06:07

The only adults I buy gifts for are my Mum, Dad, and husband and vice versa.

The rest of us all just buy for the kids. It saves a lot of time and money, and no one really wants new 'stuff'. Highly recommend!

Finallyseenthelights · Today 06:10

Yello24 · Today 06:00

This is one of the reasons we stopped doing adult gifts many years ago.
Some may be regifts, some may be thoughtless grabs when she sees a promotion.
Anything other than adults just getting exactly what’s on a list results in waste but just swapping items from a list is pointless and transactional. That’s how we framed our conversation about stopping gifts. Too much waste.
I still often get gifts for my family. When I see things I know they’d love I just give them spontaneously. Or pay for lunch or tickets or an outing or something, Just stop this swap of pointless stuff for the sake of it. Say it’s for the planet.

This is a good idea. If she wants to do presents I can’t see what’s wrong with vouchers as it’s still a present, and you know they’ll be happy with it as they can get what they want. Some ppl see it as a thoughtless cop out. She likes to receive these but has never bought them for us, I can only assume bc she doesn’t want to spend that exact amount. But won’t lower the spending limit 🤷‍♀️

edited for typo and more info

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Finallyseenthelights · Today 06:12

bearinthebigbluespouse · Today 06:07

The only adults I buy gifts for are my Mum, Dad, and husband and vice versa.

The rest of us all just buy for the kids. It saves a lot of time and money, and no one really wants new 'stuff'. Highly recommend!

Yeah I think we’re leaning this way, thanks

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vjvhj · Today 06:14

Some people are good at buying gifts and others aren’t. You sound rather spiteful and mean. Sorry, but you’re not owed gifts. You’re lucky (as anyone is) to receive them at all. Even if she is regifting… so what?

Yogabearmous · Today 06:14

Be firm and say due to cost of living you won’t be doing adult gifts.
she is totally regifting and every year you are getting crap she doesn’t want. Stop playing along. If she doesnt buy your kids things you’ve asked for, you do the same. If she comments on it, you say that she didn’t get you what you asked for. Stop being a mouse. It’s not offensive to be assertive.

Finallyseenthelights · Today 06:15

OuijaBoard · Today 06:04

You're spending a lot of energy worrying about behaviour that's probably never going to make sense unless you challenge her outright, point out that she does not follow through on her "side of the bargain", and ask her why (and even then you may not get a useful answer). If I read this right your partner doesn't want to say anything (or have you say anything) to avoid "rocking the boat"? In that case, I'd (1) stop participating in discussions with your SIL and her family on who'll buy what for whom (2) let your partner buy the gifts for SIL and her household even if he wants to say they're from both of you (3) thank her for whatever she gives you and donate it (women's shelters, etc. often take unopened toiletries and such) if you don't want it. If it's really stretching the budget (I'm assuming you and your partner have combined finances) then show him you need to lower the amount on Christmas gifts for this family - for financial reasons, not because they give lousy (or possibly regifted) gifts, because you already know he's not going to be willing to deal with that.

Thanks for this, useful advice. He is worried about finances but always factors in gifts for the wider family. I agree it’s unnecessary for adults but I guess they combine birthdays and it’s been a tradition for over 20 years with them. Maybe we just call it £20 bday presents moving forward, just exchanged at xmas 🤷‍♀️

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Pancakeorcrepe · Today 06:16

This level of obsession with your SIL’s gifts is completely mad. Just let it go. You can’t control what other people do. If you think it is unfair, just adjust your own behaviour to match what you think hers is.
And no, no one is “putting the feelers” out before buying a Body Shop gift.
Also did I read correctly that you try to out-buy her? You say that she buys you something generic and then you buy her the same item but more special?

DasDugrentast · Today 06:17

Why are you taking on board what they want? How is it a gift if it's literally like you're a free mail order retailer? Only kids get to write a letter to Santa usually 😂 just find free stuff somewhere and gift that if that's what they're doing anyway. The fault here lies with your choice of pandering to their whims and fancies

Finallyseenthelights · Today 06:18

vjvhj · Today 06:14

Some people are good at buying gifts and others aren’t. You sound rather spiteful and mean. Sorry, but you’re not owed gifts. You’re lucky (as anyone is) to receive them at all. Even if she is regifting… so what?

WTF, eh? I’ve said several times I don’t mind not doing gifts. It’s the expectation we buy her and her husband exactly what they ask for which is exactly the spending limit but she isn’t doing the same thing and is essentially halving what they spend will still expecting the full amount from us. How does that make me mean exactly? If she was honest about it that’s fine, it’s the underhandedness and grabbiness from her I hate.

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