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SIL Xmas gifts - disturbing epiphany

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:20

NC’d bc previous threads would make this outing.

As it’s approaching the festive season I’d like to ask for advice please. I’ve been with DP well over a decade. Every year his sister gives me some vaguely weird or semi-unsuitable type of present. It’s not that they’re horrible, just a strange choice I guess.

Apart from a few instances they have generally been toiletry based. One year she gave me a massive gift box of body shop stuff all in one scent. It wasn’t awful, but as I said to my partner - what if I hadn’t liked it? I’d never mentioned liking it to her and she’d never asked. Surely you’d put the feelers out before choosing a specific thing like that?

There’s been other similar stuff, usually from somewhere ok, like joules or next, but to me, toiletries is a risky, cop out gift generally unless you know exactly what the recipient likes, as it’s subjective while also requiring very little thought usually.

For years I’ve asked for vouchers which have been agreed on, then she’ll get me something completely left field - like recently, tickets to a family theatre trip in 6 months time - it actually clashed with my nephew’s bday but she hadn’t even bothered to check to see whether we could do the date. Needless to say we’ve always bought her and her partner exactly what they’ve asked for. I’ve said we should but partner doesn’t want to rock the boat.

We have a set budget which encompasses bdays as well as xmas. I struggle to find a specific thing I like for this amount but last year I found 2 items from a shop I like which were low in stock. I’ve asked for things in the past for our children’s presents which haven’t been bought in time so I decided to buy them myself before they were sold out. I messaged to say I’d done this and did she want to give them to me as a present? (she’d asked what I wanted). I even offered to send them with her parents for her to wrap and send back with them if she wanted to do that (I know this sounds weird but I guess it’s the same as sending them to her address after ordering them) - I stressed that obv this wasn’t necessary, i could wrap them myself and put with the other family presents (she can be funny about the whole process of gifting and I don’t want to offend). I pointed out it was one less thing for her to worry about as she’s usually very busy.

At first she was fine with this. Then a few days later she text to say that actually she wasn’t, that part of the enjoyment for her especially at xmas was thinking about family and what they’d want and getting this etc and that it was nice to be surprised…. This after years of telling us exactly what she, partner and kids wanted and us complying. Confusing but hey ho. What was also weird was that I always put a lot of thought into gifts for everyone. If she gave me a generic item I’d try and get an interesting version of it, which she’d loved (genuinely). And when this happened, some years she’s got me a token bday present - which is weird bc these xmas gifts are meant to include them (my bday is a couple of weeks after xmas).

Anyway, I had a somewhat disconcerting epiphany last year which upset me at the thought of ‘wow this is such CF’ery I can’t believe it’s true’, while at the same time, ‘of course it’s true - how could I possibly have not seen it before?!!!’

We receive our presents AFTER xmas, when the in-laws retune from their visit to her.

When I say…… she’s a teacher……..

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To state the bleeding obvious - am I the only one thinking she’s been re-gifting me presents her students have been giving her for the last 15 years??????!

How would you feel if this was you and what would you do for this xmas? It may not be true, but it is isn’t it.

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Bloau · Yesterday 07:49

GrabbySiLgifts · Yesterday 07:17

You don’t say if she teaches in primary or secondary. In the latter gifts are smaller and from individuals, not something as big as a basket from Body Shop. (Sec school teacher here.)
I completely see your point. In future could you

  1. Be ahead of the game (and your DH) and tell her you’ve already bought before she specifies her list?
  2. Regift her presents to her?

Primary teachers don't often get large gift sets either. I don't think anyone on this thread has said the Body Shop set sounds like a teacher regift bur the OP seems convinced.

OP you mentioned you put a lot of thought into gifts. This comes up a lot on MN - surely nearly everyone thinks they do?! There are so many threads where people explain their thoughtful gifts and other posters point out the issues with them. The theatre tickets could be an example of this. Personally I'd have checked dates but I can imagine how she thought it might be fine 6 months in advance.

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 07:50

Have you not pointed out to your husband that she is doing to you exactly what he accused your brother of doing to him? And on that basis you expect him to step up and deal with it, just like you did for him

GetAbsOrDieTrying · Yesterday 07:50

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:35

Yes I said in a previous post I’m ND so you clearly missed that.

How would your sil know that you don’t like the smell of those?!
And how would she know that I do?!

I didn’t say I loved giving surprises too, I said she agreed to me buying a gift I’d like before it sold out then came out with the whole xmas is about the fun of the surprise and giving etc… when she’s demonstrated it isn’t to her, or rather SHE likes to give ppl gifts SHE wants to get THEM, but she DOES’NT want them to get gifts THEY want to give HER - she wants to say exactly what fucking skirt she wants to be bought for her 🙄 are ppl not reading my posts.

I have black and white thinking when it comes to matters like this I’m afraid. I don’t care what the rule is but if someone expects others to follow it (and gets quite shirty if they don’t) then they need to follow it themselves - how can anyone disagree with this?

I know you said you didn’t like giving surprises too but just say you do if it is annoying you so much that she isn’t buying you what you want. Buy her any random thing you want and say her exact same words back to her. That should make a point. But honestly I wouldn’t do that as it is petty. I also wouldn’t get so worked up about the whole thing. And I agree it is unfair but I feel if you have to tell someone exactly what you want you might as well buy it yourself. Maybe suggest no present for adults going forward and everyone can buy themselves what they want!

I always buy myself all the presents I really want for Christmas. Then anything else I get is bonus and I am never unhappy or disappointed. 😁

IsThistheMiddleofNowhere · Yesterday 07:51

It sounds like the entire joy of gift giving and receiving has been sucked away by overthinking and setting expectations. I'd just stop buying for each other and buy for the kids only and concentrate on enjoying the social aspect of the festive season.

MongoosePerfume · Yesterday 07:51

If you can’t stop doing adult gifts, I’d just get clever - so when you get asked, I’d make the point that they usually go off piste anyway and surprise you. I’d also say there’s one important rule that you don’t want any toiletries as you now react to some products.

when she gives you a list, I’d just had it back and say not to worry, you are also going to do a surprise this year - that’s the fun of Christmas as that’s what she said.

Say it all with a big smile.

It shows that you know what her game is but she can’t exactly complain about any of it. If she gives you toiletries I’d say she must have got mixed up as that was the one thing you said you clearly couldn’t have and that you are sure she wouldn’t have meant to buy you something you are allergic to.

rosagarten · Yesterday 07:51

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:51

The thing is we have absolutely no problem not doing adult gifts, or lowering the amount- she doesn’t want to. So we spend £80 on her and her husband and they spend £40 max on the pair of us - how is that fair?

Just decide how much you want to spend on her and her family, if anything at all and chose something that you'd feel happy to gift, gift it and then leave it there. If she buys you something odd, just have a laugh about it with your mates later and move on.

I never ever re-gift - better to just not give anything (for whatever reason e.g. you hate them/you can't afford to buy them a gift/you don't know what they want/they've asked for something twice the price of what they're going to spend on you) and ride it out, rather than re-gift but that's just me. They can make what they want of that but on principle I don't re-gift. I give all unwanted gifts away, to raffles or to the charity shop.

I also stopped asking in laws what they wanted - they get what they're given! If anyone requests anything, I just say it's already sorted but thanks for the thought.

GrabbySiLgifts · Yesterday 07:54

Hats off to your chutzpah @openended.
Can I ask what she said in response?

SamPoodle123 · Yesterday 07:54

I find it odd, that she insists on certain gifts for herself, but then won't follow through with when you are asking for certain things. I would 100% this year give her something you want to give her and NOT what she asks. Repeat whatever she told you about the element of surprise and if she does not like it you can suggest perhaps for the future gifts are kept for the children....

I suggest getting her something from the body shop and let her know you thought she loved the shop since she bought you a whole bunch of stuff there.

Superhansrantowindsor · Yesterday 07:55

Stop getting presents for each other. It’s not worth all this. Just get stuff for the kids.

Bedlingtonwarrior · Yesterday 07:56

If you don't like the gifts just bin them, forget about them and move on........

VeronicaRaven · Yesterday 07:56

Both of my SIL do that, I get some random gifts, mostly toiletries. I don't really mind or care.
I've been with my partner for over a decade as well but we are now into our 40s, almost 50s. His brothers and their wives/partners are late 50s mid 60s. We have very little in common and can go by years without seeing eachother. We are all busy with our lives, when we do see eachother we get on no problem, loads to talk about etc, zero animosity, we just don't see eachother.
They give me random gifts because they don't know me very well. Also in our family we don't spend much on extended family members, so a Dove set from Tesco, perfect! My partner buys them wine they like. Again, nothing fancy.
I honestly couldn't care less what I get. Some years I'm well stocked up for shower gel, some years I get some weird stuff that goes to the charity shop. No problem.
The only people I make gift requests to/they ask me, are my partner and his mum. The rest can do whatever, I'm not bothered about Christmas or gifts at all.

Poppy61 · Yesterday 07:57

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:51

The thing is we have absolutely no problem not doing adult gifts, or lowering the amount- she doesn’t want to. So we spend £80 on her and her husband and they spend £40 max on the pair of us - how is that fair?

Regifting was my exact thought when you said it was toiletries

FallingfortheUnderdog · Yesterday 07:59

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 06:59

Token gifts are a waste and bad for the planet so will not be asking for things we don’t need, thanks for the suggestion tho 😘

I'm feeling exhausted just reading your posts, the whole situation sounds draining and bonkers and can be easily solved by telling family you aren't doing adult gifts anymore

But I don't understand your aversion to a token gift, why is something small bad for the planet and a waste? A lower spending limit would be a compromise solution if you aren't able to express a perfectly reasonable request to stop the madness

openended · Yesterday 08:03

@GrabbySiLgifts she got the hump and didn't speak to me for 2 weeks. Then she got over it begrudgingly. She has form for giving the silent treatment when called out on her behaviour. It's tiresome, like dealing with an entitled 3 year old who never grew up.

YouHaveAnArse · Yesterday 08:03

This sounds absolutely exhausting for everyone involved.

Regifting is good for the planet, btw.

WonderingWanda · Yesterday 08:04

I do sort of get what you sre saying, it's pointless giving thoughtless gifts for the sake of it and it's nice to feel special. Next time she tells you what her and her dh want just say "oh, sorry, I've already brought yours, saw the perfect thing the other day" then order some generic toiletries in the sales. Problem solved.

Although, I never mind toiletries and shower gel, they always get used.

GetAbsOrDieTrying · Yesterday 08:05

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:46

Also from what you’ve said - where you can afford to spend £500 on your parents and receive £2-3k gifts from them annually for Xmas (presumably something similar for your birthday?) how dare you tell me essentially be happy with whatever I receive bc you are happy and grateful for what you get - assuming yours wasn’t a wind up post - I bloody bet you are 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 My god, the total lack of self awareness is staggering.

£80 is clearly a drop in the ocean to you, but to most people living in the real world and grappling with the COL crisis it’s a significant amount. To have someone insist you stick to this but not doing so themsleves wrankles. Please don’t patronise me any further.

Not winding anyone up, these are just facts. My parents are extremely wealthy, I am not. Also they live abroad and usually visit around Christmas time. My friends are just regular people and we usually spend £30-£40 on average for gifts for each other. I do get a lot of toiletries, some times perfumes etc. from my friends. There have been times where I bought a friend a swarovski bracelet which I got on the sale for £40 and she got me an umbrella which was not more than £10. But it is a useful gift and I am still using it. So quite thoughtful overall. I don’t think the price of the gift is that important and I appreciate the thought. Also like I said I buy myself anything I really want. This is the whole point of working being able to afford what you want even if it means saving for a while first.

NoHotGirlsInHell · Yesterday 08:08

This is why I don’t do gifts for anyone other than my children.

GrabbySiLgifts · Yesterday 08:10

Well done for calling her out @openended. If you hadn’t, she’d have carried on for eternity and to your disadvantage.
For years my SiL was the eternal visitor but adamantly refused to host. Like you, I called her out. She’s had to accept it.

Pancakeorcrepe · Yesterday 08:11

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 06:49

Vulgar? What century are you from? 😆

If you’d read my posts you’d see that the transactional take is skewed to one side and it isn’t mine!

Thanks for posting 💝

Gosh, you are really rude. People are just giving their opinion, you are the one who asked for it.
You sound quite inept at understanding and resolving a simple situation.

IAmATrrrrraitor · Yesterday 08:11

Ask to stop the adult gifts and if the answer is no, follow her lead and just buy something of your choice to the shared value of £40. She might be less enthusiastic next year about the whole present buying charade if she doesn’t get exactly as she wants.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:12

Pancakeorcrepe · Yesterday 08:11

Gosh, you are really rude. People are just giving their opinion, you are the one who asked for it.
You sound quite inept at understanding and resolving a simple situation.

How is calling someone vulgar (and all the rest) not rude?

OP posts:
Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:13

Pancakeorcrepe · Yesterday 08:11

Gosh, you are really rude. People are just giving their opinion, you are the one who asked for it.
You sound quite inept at understanding and resolving a simple situation.

What haven’t I understood?

OP posts:
Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:14

IAmATrrrrraitor · Yesterday 08:11

Ask to stop the adult gifts and if the answer is no, follow her lead and just buy something of your choice to the shared value of £40. She might be less enthusiastic next year about the whole present buying charade if she doesn’t get exactly as she wants.

Thanks, yes I think this is definitely on the cards

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thislittlelife · Yesterday 08:14

This all sounds really transactional and completely defeats the point of gift giving. I had a great aunt who was known for 'interesting' gifts - we just had a giggle about it every year. As others have suggested, just knock it on the head for the adults.

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