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SIL Xmas gifts - disturbing epiphany

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:20

NC’d bc previous threads would make this outing.

As it’s approaching the festive season I’d like to ask for advice please. I’ve been with DP well over a decade. Every year his sister gives me some vaguely weird or semi-unsuitable type of present. It’s not that they’re horrible, just a strange choice I guess.

Apart from a few instances they have generally been toiletry based. One year she gave me a massive gift box of body shop stuff all in one scent. It wasn’t awful, but as I said to my partner - what if I hadn’t liked it? I’d never mentioned liking it to her and she’d never asked. Surely you’d put the feelers out before choosing a specific thing like that?

There’s been other similar stuff, usually from somewhere ok, like joules or next, but to me, toiletries is a risky, cop out gift generally unless you know exactly what the recipient likes, as it’s subjective while also requiring very little thought usually.

For years I’ve asked for vouchers which have been agreed on, then she’ll get me something completely left field - like recently, tickets to a family theatre trip in 6 months time - it actually clashed with my nephew’s bday but she hadn’t even bothered to check to see whether we could do the date. Needless to say we’ve always bought her and her partner exactly what they’ve asked for. I’ve said we should but partner doesn’t want to rock the boat.

We have a set budget which encompasses bdays as well as xmas. I struggle to find a specific thing I like for this amount but last year I found 2 items from a shop I like which were low in stock. I’ve asked for things in the past for our children’s presents which haven’t been bought in time so I decided to buy them myself before they were sold out. I messaged to say I’d done this and did she want to give them to me as a present? (she’d asked what I wanted). I even offered to send them with her parents for her to wrap and send back with them if she wanted to do that (I know this sounds weird but I guess it’s the same as sending them to her address after ordering them) - I stressed that obv this wasn’t necessary, i could wrap them myself and put with the other family presents (she can be funny about the whole process of gifting and I don’t want to offend). I pointed out it was one less thing for her to worry about as she’s usually very busy.

At first she was fine with this. Then a few days later she text to say that actually she wasn’t, that part of the enjoyment for her especially at xmas was thinking about family and what they’d want and getting this etc and that it was nice to be surprised…. This after years of telling us exactly what she, partner and kids wanted and us complying. Confusing but hey ho. What was also weird was that I always put a lot of thought into gifts for everyone. If she gave me a generic item I’d try and get an interesting version of it, which she’d loved (genuinely). And when this happened, some years she’s got me a token bday present - which is weird bc these xmas gifts are meant to include them (my bday is a couple of weeks after xmas).

Anyway, I had a somewhat disconcerting epiphany last year which upset me at the thought of ‘wow this is such CF’ery I can’t believe it’s true’, while at the same time, ‘of course it’s true - how could I possibly have not seen it before?!!!’

We receive our presents AFTER xmas, when the in-laws retune from their visit to her.

When I say…… she’s a teacher……..

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To state the bleeding obvious - am I the only one thinking she’s been re-gifting me presents her students have been giving her for the last 15 years??????!

How would you feel if this was you and what would you do for this xmas? It may not be true, but it is isn’t it.

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Glampingqueenonly17 · Yesterday 08:15

I like buying gifts and try my best to buy people things I think they will love regardless of budget. Even if you have a budget of a tenner you can put thought in to it.

I got fed up of my sister in law and brother in law buying us utter shite - I know they had less money than us but it was thoughtless gifts. Wine for me when I don’t drink wine being an example.

So I took control and said let’s just buy for the kids and not the adults. And that’s what we have done ever since.

Motheranddaughter · Yesterday 08:15

i leave all gift buying for my in-laws to my DH, job done

MrsVBS · Yesterday 08:16

She probably is regifting but I think you’re overthinking it, at the end of the day it’s some toiletries or whatever it is. As soon as we had children we said to my husbands brothers let’s just do the children, now they’re older it’s even easier we just do money. Can’t understand why people get so hung up on Christmas presents. Just say you’re not doing it anymore and that’s the end of it.

fluffiphlox · Yesterday 08:19

‘A disturbing epiphany’. I ask you.

AxolotlEars · Yesterday 08:19

We had some weird things ...SIL also a teacher! We didn't do lists or budgets, as such.... probably only spending £20. In the end we just said we thought it was better not to do adults anymore and thankfully she agreed

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:19

fluffiphlox · Yesterday 08:19

‘A disturbing epiphany’. I ask you.

I bet you’re fun at parties

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jenny38 · Yesterday 08:21

I would either start ignoring her list, or just be frank. When you receive her list, say something along the lines of- I know you love choosing gifts, but like receiving what's on your list. Ive got to be honest, i also like whats on my list, and haven't been using the toiketries you gifted me (please don't be upset, but i hate the thought of wasting your money) so how about we both stick to what's on our lists, or we agree not to buy for adults anymore? Let me know your thoughts on which you would prefer to do. Im happy with either option.
Then if she doesn't stick to your list, next year send a breezy text saying, hi x I don't think our new arrangement of sticking to the list worked last year, so this year we will just buy for the kids.

LizandDerekGoals · Yesterday 08:22

This sounds like a partner problem. Why are you involved in buying his family gifts at all. Leave him to it. Id also be tempted to host a pre christmas get-together with nibbles and gift swapping to test the theory. Obviously before the end of term.

Brokeandold · Yesterday 08:22

She’s playing a great game isn't she! She gets what she wants for herself and her family and gets away with doing and spending the minimum on you and your family.
This happens to my family, the amount of money myself and DH have spent on siblings, nieces, nephews and yet we get back-lynx bodywash sets for our DS’s -who are in the mid 20’s, a candle with the initial of our daughters name , I saw they were reduced to a couple of pounds in Boots
I got a £10 voucher off my Dsis when I’d given them £60 cafe voucher plus bottles of beer/wine
We have 3 children and I have always bought my siblings gifts as they bought for our children, most of my siblings don’t have children and are very well off.
My DB gave me out of date chocs and a bottle of naff bubbly for my recent birthday
I have said only cards now for christmas and birthdays, I can spent my money on extra gifts for my own DC instead-or just give them cash!
Why does one bossy sibling dictate to the rest of us? My SIL is like this, shes the eldest and has always had rules for Christmas, last year we went away for the first time-it was bliss!!
We are going away this year too, not far but away from all the forced company.
I don't think you are “overthinking” it, you are seeing it for what it is, shes a CF (?)

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:23

AxolotlEars · Yesterday 08:19

We had some weird things ...SIL also a teacher! We didn't do lists or budgets, as such.... probably only spending £20. In the end we just said we thought it was better not to do adults anymore and thankfully she agreed

Aha, maybe she snuck one or two in as well 😄

It’s £20 for xmas but we add bdays so £40 per person given at Xmas.

I think the knell of death is ringing for this practise now to be quite honest. Thankfully.

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ParryHotterAndTheStilosphersPhone · Yesterday 08:23

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:51

The thing is we have absolutely no problem not doing adult gifts, or lowering the amount- she doesn’t want to. So we spend £80 on her and her husband and they spend £40 max on the pair of us - how is that fair?

You have free will. Stop doing this.

LizandDerekGoals · Yesterday 08:23

jenny38 · Yesterday 08:21

I would either start ignoring her list, or just be frank. When you receive her list, say something along the lines of- I know you love choosing gifts, but like receiving what's on your list. Ive got to be honest, i also like whats on my list, and haven't been using the toiketries you gifted me (please don't be upset, but i hate the thought of wasting your money) so how about we both stick to what's on our lists, or we agree not to buy for adults anymore? Let me know your thoughts on which you would prefer to do. Im happy with either option.
Then if she doesn't stick to your list, next year send a breezy text saying, hi x I don't think our new arrangement of sticking to the list worked last year, so this year we will just buy for the kids.

Or just say dont bother sending me the list! I prefer picking gifts!

ItsAQuandryAlright · Yesterday 08:23

GetAbsOrDieTrying · Yesterday 07:22

How would your sil know that you don’t like the smell of those?! I got lots of toiletries from different friends last year for Christmas. It is a pretty standard gift. Usually one chooses a fragrance based on what they like. I think it is harder for a perfume and I would only buy perfume for close family like my siblings, mum, DH. With toiletries I am not so fussed, unless is it absolutely horrible. But bodyshop is pretty standard and most of it is quite nice.

Regarding the agreed spend is it really agreed if your sil according to you is not following it at all?! Also are you ND? As things are not so black and white but you seem adamant to think so?! And stop buying from her list and say you love giving surprises too if it annoys you so much that she gets the gift she asked for but you don’t.

You do realise your friends are just regifting you sets of toiletries they didn't want? I never receive toiletries from anyone as it's a crap gift with zero thought behind it.

OP it's time to stop this nonsense. Go down the "gifts for children only" route, is my suggestion.

drspouse · Yesterday 08:23

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 06:07

This would be the adult NT method. I’m ND and it’s the disparity in fairness that pisses me off I must admit. I don’t mind not doing presents, or setting the limit to below a tenner. But for us to spend £80+ on her and her husband and her pretend to do the same when we’re not well-off is shitty behaviour. My partner will pay it bc he’s a good man and doesn’t want to upset anyone but I’m annoyed for him, and if she is literally sending over some student cast offs she doesn’t want and I’ve not asked for I will admit at being hurt that she hasn’t bothered to make more of an effort, petty as that sounds. To tell her directly - please stop sending toiletries (or generic teacher gifts) over is a difficult conversation to have.

In that case I fear you may have to accept that's the way the majority of the world works. You know you are in the minority, and I get that it's hard, but at least you've recognised that's why it feels bad to you.
I tend to think if you are counting how much someone else's gift cost and how much your gift cost, either you need to stop counting it or stop giving to them.
If your DP is happy to take it over, let him!

hididdlyho · Yesterday 08:25

I think it's odd to offer to buy a present for her to give you and post it to her to wrap. I would spend less on SIL and her husband's gifts. Don't buy from her wish list if she ignores your's and just get something equally generic in line with what she gifts to you.

Maddy70 · Yesterday 08:25

I can't remember what I was bought last year by anyone. I think you are rather overthinking this
I would buy a body shop set for someone in one selcent. It wouldn't occur to me to check if they liked it or not ?
You sound really odd.

GetAbsOrDieTrying · Yesterday 08:26

ItsAQuandryAlright · Yesterday 08:23

You do realise your friends are just regifting you sets of toiletries they didn't want? I never receive toiletries from anyone as it's a crap gift with zero thought behind it.

OP it's time to stop this nonsense. Go down the "gifts for children only" route, is my suggestion.

I’m ok with that. I like toiletries. Hardly going to be offended by that. 😂🤣

InLawTwats · Yesterday 08:28

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:52

The thing is - she IS telling us what to get her, and her entire family, which we do bc she says she will do the same. She rarely, if ever does.

You keep doing what you’ve always done so you keep getting what you’ve always got. Why are you surprised every year?

Shes not going to change but there is no reason you can’t. Don’t get her what she asks for - hell, don’t get her anything - the sky won’t fall in.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:31

LizandDerekGoals · Yesterday 08:22

This sounds like a partner problem. Why are you involved in buying his family gifts at all. Leave him to it. Id also be tempted to host a pre christmas get-together with nibbles and gift swapping to test the theory. Obviously before the end of term.

I love this, unfortunately they live at the opposite end of the country and we don’t see them often, never at xmas. I agree it’s a partner problem. The thing is my b+w thinking is enraged by the inequality. It’s not a matter of personal finances, we could do a much smaller amount and sack off one or both things, it’s the fact SIL is the one who drives this but doesn’t play by her own rules and it comes off as she’s making a buck at our expense - despite everyone who is claiming I’m the one who is grabby and entitled etc, I’m peed off that we’re paying for things and they aren’t. £80 for the pair of them is expensive at xmas!

Hey-ho. I will try and negotiate a no-adult solution with my partner but I don’t want to come across as the one breaking ‘tradition’. If I leave it all to him he’ll buy her exactly what she wants and she’ll give me re-gifts/ thoughtless ‘tat’ and him something he’ll vaguely like, that he’s actually disappointed with but not really bothered by.

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ohtowinthelottery · Yesterday 08:32

What i don't understand is why people spin the yarn that "they just love gift buying and choosing something for each family member" when it's absolutely bllsht.
Years ago, we suggested stopping family presents none of us needed more socks/a scarf/toiletries. One SIL spun the "but i love buying" line, so we carried on. Until my gift one year was toiletries which still had the gift label in which said "to SIL name from friend of SIL". I told DH that enough was enough and we sent a message saying we would definitely be stopping gifts going forward.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:33

InLawTwats · Yesterday 08:28

You keep doing what you’ve always done so you keep getting what you’ve always got. Why are you surprised every year?

Shes not going to change but there is no reason you can’t. Don’t get her what she asks for - hell, don’t get her anything - the sky won’t fall in.

Yes I do know this, I think the thing is every year I give her the benefit of the doubt bc we’ll have got on really well at a previous get-together and we’ll have all agreed on what we’re getting everybody a few weeks before. I agree it’s time to cut this out now as xmas is stressful enough one way or another without extra crap ☺️

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Aiming4Optimistic · Yesterday 08:33

If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got!

You (and your dp) have to stop being so wet and take charge of your own choices.

You have 2 decent options imo

  1. send a message to say that Christmas is getting out of hand and that you'll only be buying for children in future. What she decides to do is neither here nor there. Then set a budget you can afford and stick to it. Tell SIL you also like buying surprises and will be going this in future for the kids - she can then get her own kids' wish lists instead of offloading it onto you!

  2. If you are sticking with the route of buying for adults then quietly reduce what you spend and stop allowing her to dictate - she doesn't follow her own rule so stop being such a mug and choose what you buy and spend what you feel comfortable with. I wouldn't even discuss this with dp tbh - I'd just do it and tell him it was done.

user47639820987 · Yesterday 08:34

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:56

Exchanging gifts between adult relatives isn’t that weird is it? And she’s the instigator of the rules. We follow them and if we step outside them she doesn’t like it, but they don’t apply to her. She’s not a horrible person, but it’s weird most years bc she asks what we’d like and says she’ll get it then doesn’t, or we agree vouchers for everyone and she’ll get some bizarre, un-related gift or a selection of hand cream and body lotions 🤣

I don’t think many people do Christmas presents for adults once there are kids to buy for. Because, well who wants a load of tat that you wouldn’t buy for yourself!
Just say you’re not buying for adults anymore - or secret Santa if you must?

Our kids are adults, so at Christmas we buy them a present, and a few stocking things. We might get DH’s siblings a family present if we are seeing them, but don’t if we aren’t meeting up.
I get small presents for anyone that has helped me in anyway over the last year with a thanks. Otherwise it’s just about the Christmas food for us!

Busybeemumm · Yesterday 08:34

This sounds all so unnecessary. Just be done with adult gifting or be grateful for what she gives you whatever it is.

It's too weird to buy your own gift and then send it to her to wrap! If this is actually real then it's incredibly rude.

Nottodaybob · Yesterday 08:35

I'm very very glad I never got involved in DHs family Christmas and birthday presents - he has the conversation, he buys the gifts, he organises the budget, he wraps them he organises delivery.

The kids and I get gifts from the in laws but I've had 0 involvement, so it's always a nice surprise, even if it isn't my thing.

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