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SIL Xmas gifts - disturbing epiphany

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:20

NC’d bc previous threads would make this outing.

As it’s approaching the festive season I’d like to ask for advice please. I’ve been with DP well over a decade. Every year his sister gives me some vaguely weird or semi-unsuitable type of present. It’s not that they’re horrible, just a strange choice I guess.

Apart from a few instances they have generally been toiletry based. One year she gave me a massive gift box of body shop stuff all in one scent. It wasn’t awful, but as I said to my partner - what if I hadn’t liked it? I’d never mentioned liking it to her and she’d never asked. Surely you’d put the feelers out before choosing a specific thing like that?

There’s been other similar stuff, usually from somewhere ok, like joules or next, but to me, toiletries is a risky, cop out gift generally unless you know exactly what the recipient likes, as it’s subjective while also requiring very little thought usually.

For years I’ve asked for vouchers which have been agreed on, then she’ll get me something completely left field - like recently, tickets to a family theatre trip in 6 months time - it actually clashed with my nephew’s bday but she hadn’t even bothered to check to see whether we could do the date. Needless to say we’ve always bought her and her partner exactly what they’ve asked for. I’ve said we should but partner doesn’t want to rock the boat.

We have a set budget which encompasses bdays as well as xmas. I struggle to find a specific thing I like for this amount but last year I found 2 items from a shop I like which were low in stock. I’ve asked for things in the past for our children’s presents which haven’t been bought in time so I decided to buy them myself before they were sold out. I messaged to say I’d done this and did she want to give them to me as a present? (she’d asked what I wanted). I even offered to send them with her parents for her to wrap and send back with them if she wanted to do that (I know this sounds weird but I guess it’s the same as sending them to her address after ordering them) - I stressed that obv this wasn’t necessary, i could wrap them myself and put with the other family presents (she can be funny about the whole process of gifting and I don’t want to offend). I pointed out it was one less thing for her to worry about as she’s usually very busy.

At first she was fine with this. Then a few days later she text to say that actually she wasn’t, that part of the enjoyment for her especially at xmas was thinking about family and what they’d want and getting this etc and that it was nice to be surprised…. This after years of telling us exactly what she, partner and kids wanted and us complying. Confusing but hey ho. What was also weird was that I always put a lot of thought into gifts for everyone. If she gave me a generic item I’d try and get an interesting version of it, which she’d loved (genuinely). And when this happened, some years she’s got me a token bday present - which is weird bc these xmas gifts are meant to include them (my bday is a couple of weeks after xmas).

Anyway, I had a somewhat disconcerting epiphany last year which upset me at the thought of ‘wow this is such CF’ery I can’t believe it’s true’, while at the same time, ‘of course it’s true - how could I possibly have not seen it before?!!!’

We receive our presents AFTER xmas, when the in-laws retune from their visit to her.

When I say…… she’s a teacher……..

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To state the bleeding obvious - am I the only one thinking she’s been re-gifting me presents her students have been giving her for the last 15 years??????!

How would you feel if this was you and what would you do for this xmas? It may not be true, but it is isn’t it.

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GetAbsOrDieTrying · Yesterday 07:10

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:51

The thing is we have absolutely no problem not doing adult gifts, or lowering the amount- she doesn’t want to. So we spend £80 on her and her husband and they spend £40 max on the pair of us - how is that fair?

Please only gift what you can afford and what makes you happy. I can’t imagine ever looking at something someone gave me and analysing it so much. I would be happy and grateful for anything I got. If it is not something I would use I would just re-gift it to someone else who would enjoy that sort of thing. And I would love body shop goodies, you really are a hard one to please!

And no one can exactly match the price of gift you are going to give as they don’t know what you have bought. For example, I buy my parents things like designer hand bag, luxury make up brands and dad, golf related paraphernalia. They buy me diamonds most years.The cost is not even comparable. They spend 2000-3000 pounds on me and more on my kids and husband, my gifts for both of them together is around 500. I can’t afford any higher, I wait for sales and pick up things I know they will love.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:10

SamPoodle123 · Yesterday 06:54

Well, the schools my dc go to they set up pots and people don't just give random gifts. They understand how much more useful it is for a teacher to get things they want instead of random bunch of junk. I have 3 dc and my eldest is 14 and this has been the case in the schools they have been to (4 different ones). But perhaps its around where we live.

It’s become more of a common practise and in certain areas. It usually depends whether there is a class WhatsApp group to organise things I guess. These may not be xmas gifts but end of year and schools I’m familiar with, where there is a pool of money, usually involves a selection of gifts - luck of the draw I guess

edited for typo

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Wheelz46 · Yesterday 07:11

Did I read it correctly that your sister in law likes to choose a surprise present for you and that's why you don't get what you usually ask for?

If that's the case and she still wants to continue gifting you presents, could you say, you love that idea and we will do the same for you. Using her own word back at her, saying it's wonderful to receive a surprise.

Your husband should not see that as rocking the boat as you are just matching her preference. Then pop to bodyshop for a nice hamper selection of the same product or regift her own stuff back to her and just say you thought it was so nice you got her one too. 😆

For what it's worth, I have seen teachers receive plenty of toiletry products for end of year gifts so it is possible a case of re-gifting on her part.

NetZeroZealot · Yesterday 07:12

I think you sound grabby & entitled.

so she gave you some toiletries without checking you liked the fragrance first? Perfectly normal.

I once gave my SIL some expensive Jo Malone I would have loved. I knew it was a mistake when I saw it unopened in a guest bathroom about a year later. But she was too polite to say anything & I would never have dreamed of mentioning it.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:16

GetAbsOrDieTrying · Yesterday 07:10

Please only gift what you can afford and what makes you happy. I can’t imagine ever looking at something someone gave me and analysing it so much. I would be happy and grateful for anything I got. If it is not something I would use I would just re-gift it to someone else who would enjoy that sort of thing. And I would love body shop goodies, you really are a hard one to please!

And no one can exactly match the price of gift you are going to give as they don’t know what you have bought. For example, I buy my parents things like designer hand bag, luxury make up brands and dad, golf related paraphernalia. They buy me diamonds most years.The cost is not even comparable. They spend 2000-3000 pounds on me and more on my kids and husband, my gifts for both of them together is around 500. I can’t afford any higher, I wait for sales and pick up things I know they will love.

You’d love a selection of body shop goodies that you didn’t like the smell of? Why, when that’s pretty much their main point? Really? That’s a bit odd.

Your parents spending thousands of pounds (🤔) on you is neither here nor there when my post clearly stated there is a specific sum that was agreed between my partner and his sister many years ago which they stick to. It’s been suggested the figure comes down and that’s been kicked to the kerb. If there was no set figure that’s a different scenario isn’t.

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GrabbySiLgifts · Yesterday 07:17

You don’t say if she teaches in primary or secondary. In the latter gifts are smaller and from individuals, not something as big as a basket from Body Shop. (Sec school teacher here.)
I completely see your point. In future could you

  1. Be ahead of the game (and your DH) and tell her you’ve already bought before she specifies her list?
  2. Regift her presents to her?
daisychain01 · Yesterday 07:21

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:52

The thing is - she IS telling us what to get her, and her entire family, which we do bc she says she will do the same. She rarely, if ever does.

Just because she "tells" you what to do, doesn't mean you have to do it.

Set your boundaries and stick to them, Scale this right back.

Buy something for the children and let the rest go. That'll solve any regifting because she will stop giving you stuff you don't want.

this is your DPs family, you shouldn't be tying yourself in knots over Christmas presents.

redfairy · Yesterday 07:21

Somewhere along the line your family appear to have lost the principle behind gift giving and it's become prescriptive and a source of angst. I would announce that this year you will be making a donation to charity instead and invite your family to do the same.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:21

NetZeroZealot · Yesterday 07:12

I think you sound grabby & entitled.

so she gave you some toiletries without checking you liked the fragrance first? Perfectly normal.

I once gave my SIL some expensive Jo Malone I would have loved. I knew it was a mistake when I saw it unopened in a guest bathroom about a year later. But she was too polite to say anything & I would never have dreamed of mentioning it.

First of all “Good for you!” 🎉🎊👏

Secondly it wasn’t the quality of the toiletries - it’s the fact that despite being a non-thoughtful gift to a family member, it’s the likelihood she’s been largely re-gifting all these years while asking for specific items of a set value! How am I the grabby and entitled one? 😆

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GetAbsOrDieTrying · Yesterday 07:22

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:16

You’d love a selection of body shop goodies that you didn’t like the smell of? Why, when that’s pretty much their main point? Really? That’s a bit odd.

Your parents spending thousands of pounds (🤔) on you is neither here nor there when my post clearly stated there is a specific sum that was agreed between my partner and his sister many years ago which they stick to. It’s been suggested the figure comes down and that’s been kicked to the kerb. If there was no set figure that’s a different scenario isn’t.

How would your sil know that you don’t like the smell of those?! I got lots of toiletries from different friends last year for Christmas. It is a pretty standard gift. Usually one chooses a fragrance based on what they like. I think it is harder for a perfume and I would only buy perfume for close family like my siblings, mum, DH. With toiletries I am not so fussed, unless is it absolutely horrible. But bodyshop is pretty standard and most of it is quite nice.

Regarding the agreed spend is it really agreed if your sil according to you is not following it at all?! Also are you ND? As things are not so black and white but you seem adamant to think so?! And stop buying from her list and say you love giving surprises too if it annoys you so much that she gets the gift she asked for but you don’t.

saltyseaswimmer · Yesterday 07:23

She might not be regifting she might be grabbing them in the sale.
I agree it’s awful because you are then left out of pocket because you have to buy the thing you wanted. While she enjoys the gift she chose.
I think people on here have been unfair to you. They maybe don’t recognise how mean it is.
Gifting didn’t work in my family either because I spent years getting gifts for multiple nephews and nieces but my own child came a bit later and wasn’t given anything.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:25

daisychain01 · Yesterday 07:21

Just because she "tells" you what to do, doesn't mean you have to do it.

Set your boundaries and stick to them, Scale this right back.

Buy something for the children and let the rest go. That'll solve any regifting because she will stop giving you stuff you don't want.

this is your DPs family, you shouldn't be tying yourself in knots over Christmas presents.

Thanks. I think the time has come for us to go child only and keep the £80

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TeaCupTinsel · Yesterday 07:25

I'd give her the body shop giftset back this year. Tell your husband she's been specifically talking about how she likes surprises and she's been hinting.
Either that or just get her and her family generic things like that, if she queries it you can say:
'Oh I thought you were hinting you wanted surprises like you get us, instead of what we agreed... ?'

Hopefully that will put an end to it or you can agree just to buy gifts for the kids from then on.

Or... arrange to 'swap gifts' before Christmas, so everyone has their presents on the day. Earlier on in December. See if that makes a difference.

peachie82 · Yesterday 07:29

bearinthebigbluespouse · Yesterday 06:07

The only adults I buy gifts for are my Mum, Dad, and husband and vice versa.

The rest of us all just buy for the kids. It saves a lot of time and money, and no one really wants new 'stuff'. Highly recommend!

Exactly this. Christmas is for the children and spending a fortune and getting stressed and falling out over adult gifts isn’t worth it

growinguptobreakingdown · Yesterday 07:30

We got to the stage where all the adults were giving lists out of what they wanted for Christmas. It seemed pointless, expensive and joyless .Now we all just buy for the children and do a (not very) secret santa for the adults with a £25 budget. I find sticking to a bottle, a jar or a book means it isn't useless tat. If you have a list at this age buy it yourself so you get what you want.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:35

GetAbsOrDieTrying · Yesterday 07:22

How would your sil know that you don’t like the smell of those?! I got lots of toiletries from different friends last year for Christmas. It is a pretty standard gift. Usually one chooses a fragrance based on what they like. I think it is harder for a perfume and I would only buy perfume for close family like my siblings, mum, DH. With toiletries I am not so fussed, unless is it absolutely horrible. But bodyshop is pretty standard and most of it is quite nice.

Regarding the agreed spend is it really agreed if your sil according to you is not following it at all?! Also are you ND? As things are not so black and white but you seem adamant to think so?! And stop buying from her list and say you love giving surprises too if it annoys you so much that she gets the gift she asked for but you don’t.

Yes I said in a previous post I’m ND so you clearly missed that.

How would your sil know that you don’t like the smell of those?!
And how would she know that I do?!

I didn’t say I loved giving surprises too, I said she agreed to me buying a gift I’d like before it sold out then came out with the whole xmas is about the fun of the surprise and giving etc… when she’s demonstrated it isn’t to her, or rather SHE likes to give ppl gifts SHE wants to get THEM, but she DOES’NT want them to get gifts THEY want to give HER - she wants to say exactly what fucking skirt she wants to be bought for her 🙄 are ppl not reading my posts.

I have black and white thinking when it comes to matters like this I’m afraid. I don’t care what the rule is but if someone expects others to follow it (and gets quite shirty if they don’t) then they need to follow it themselves - how can anyone disagree with this?

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GrabbySiLgifts · Yesterday 07:35

If you do go down the route of child only, be aware of the point @saltyseaswimmer makes. Presents post- Christmas, a specified list, a budget in her favour, all suggest a wily character.

openended · Yesterday 07:36

I've had similar from my bil and sil They give very specific lists for themselves but would get us generic gifts like perfumed soaps that I am allergic to. I wouldn't mind if they were hard up but they aren't and send their own very specific lists. When I copied their lead one year sil actually phoned me to complain and I told her that she had been doing this to us for years, taking advantage of our generosity and being entitled. I made it clear that I wouldn't bother doing gifts going forward and I didn't want any more lists for their children either. We do money for their kids as they are at an age where they want to put it towards larger purchases.

Sometimes you have to call out CF for what they are. If you don't then you will quietly seethe and the resentment will build. I know what I prefer.

NetZeroZealot · Yesterday 07:39

You assume she’s regifting because her taste is different from yours? Big assumption just because you don’t like what she gives you.

PotofPens1 · Yesterday 07:39

It isn't fair. You can't change who your sister in law is, just your own behaviour. She'd like the rules to be you buy her what she wants and she puts as little money and effort into your present as she can. The only part of that she can actually control is the second part. Currently you'd like the rules to be you both get nice gifts for each other. You can only control your end of that. So, decode what happens from your end, do you accept it to keep the peace, match her present energy, stop adult gifts completely? Do whatever works best for you. She might complain or cajole, but I doubt she'll actually come round and drag you and your wallet to the shops

ThisMachineWillNotCommunicate · Yesterday 07:41

If your DH doesn’t want to stop doing gifts then just speak to SIL yourself and say you don’t want to do adult gifts anymore so not to get you anything and you won’t be getting anything for her, her present arrangement is now just with DH. Your DH can still buy her a gift, and she can buy one for him, but they can set their own limits and you can stay completely out of it in terms of money, time and effort. If he’s happy to buy her exactly what she wants whilst she spends half the amount on a shitty gift he doesn’t care for that’s between the two of them then.

Sux2buthen · Yesterday 07:42

fucking hell, the spirit of Christmas is alive and well

GrabbySiLgifts · Yesterday 07:43

Tell her the skirt she chose wasn’t available in her size (hinting you’re lying then brazen it out). “I know that feeling of disappointment, but here are lots of goodies from Body Shop which I know you like.” Stop being so bloody polite with the cheeky mare.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:46

GetAbsOrDieTrying · Yesterday 07:10

Please only gift what you can afford and what makes you happy. I can’t imagine ever looking at something someone gave me and analysing it so much. I would be happy and grateful for anything I got. If it is not something I would use I would just re-gift it to someone else who would enjoy that sort of thing. And I would love body shop goodies, you really are a hard one to please!

And no one can exactly match the price of gift you are going to give as they don’t know what you have bought. For example, I buy my parents things like designer hand bag, luxury make up brands and dad, golf related paraphernalia. They buy me diamonds most years.The cost is not even comparable. They spend 2000-3000 pounds on me and more on my kids and husband, my gifts for both of them together is around 500. I can’t afford any higher, I wait for sales and pick up things I know they will love.

Also from what you’ve said - where you can afford to spend £500 on your parents and receive £2-3k gifts from them annually for Xmas (presumably something similar for your birthday?) how dare you tell me essentially be happy with whatever I receive bc you are happy and grateful for what you get - assuming yours wasn’t a wind up post - I bloody bet you are 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 My god, the total lack of self awareness is staggering.

£80 is clearly a drop in the ocean to you, but to most people living in the real world and grappling with the COL crisis it’s a significant amount. To have someone insist you stick to this but not doing so themsleves wrankles. Please don’t patronise me any further.

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:47

GrabbySiLgifts · Yesterday 07:43

Tell her the skirt she chose wasn’t available in her size (hinting you’re lying then brazen it out). “I know that feeling of disappointment, but here are lots of goodies from Body Shop which I know you like.” Stop being so bloody polite with the cheeky mare.

Excellent advice, thank you 🩷

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