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AIBU for calling off marriage for good without proposal after 4 years?

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gingerandpeppermint · 22/09/2026 09:54

Its my four year anniversary with my partner this weekend.
Im 33, my boyfriend 31.

This is the happiest I've ever been; I have never loved anyone more than this calm, cool, easygoing yet passionate, patient, loyal, funny, handsome, interesting and genuine person. I am so in love. We only moved in this year after the 3 yr mark and its been working out well. We haven't ever had a true 'fight' and generally sort micro issues out there and then. If I'm honest theres only one true fight we have which I've given up on now ; engagement. Nobody else has ever come into our relationship.

I was really surprised to learn that 2 yrs ago when my boyfriend was at a stag do and his friends drunk called me to say hi, his best friend said "hey, you better tell your man IM gonna be HIS best man at YOUR wedding!!!!!!". I felt so excited by this idea as I always thought a 2 yr mark would be ideal if you know youre with "the one". But to my horror I brought it up with him the next day and he said "yeah..im DEFINITELY not ready for THAT"... my boyfriends friends (who ive now inherited as my own) told me he is very "to the book". He was always a Mummy's boy too, following whatever his parents did (they were engaged after five yrs of dating but met at 20!).

The argument was brought up every few months as I saw our friends get engaged within 1-3 years and our last anniversary was awful! I was PMSing and a couple next to us in the posh restaurant looked like they were about to get engaged and I cracked. I told him 3 years was a LONG time not to be engaged and that knowing him with his very long timeline, we wouldn't even be married until I hit 40.

I cant lie, seeing him finally move out of his family house and move in with me has made me realise he DOES want a future. He asked that we open up a bank account together and he has been looking for houses. Quite frankly i feel like he is the one putting in the effort now. We continuously talk about our kids names and it seems he wants kids before marriage merely because the people in our city REALLY milk the wedding. Im talking big, glamour, whitest weddings. I understand that this would be the penultimate stressor.

I dont believe I'd be excited when he proposes now. Its like the novelty has worn off and I have told him that if we're not engaged by next year, I will never marry him. He seemed terribly devastated by this and I felt guilty but reminded him that this relationship isnt on his timeline only.
Honestly, his blasé attitude has put me off having children with him as he doesnt seem to understand im already in peri and most likely wont want a baby after 35.

Im anxious.
I love this man so much but worry how pathetic I'll feel announcing our 4 yr anniversary knowing we're not one step closer to being married. I feel embarrassed also being the older one in the relationship.
I do not want to end this and wonder if it is a step too extreme to completely write off marriage with him as at this point I will clearly be in my mid to late thirties when we actually do it.

There is a small glimmer of hope in me that it may happen this weekend but it feels wishful- my boyfriend was asking me about whether we could see my parents before we go away. He also asked abouy my dad's new job and his scheduled breaks in particular which he never does. He also asked if we could go "very fancy" to the restaurant and suggested I get my hair and nails done the day before which he hasn't done previously but im not holding my breath.

Advice? Thoughts?

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CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 22:40

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:36

What an odd attitude. My exH didn't ask Dad's permission, and I was fine with that. I felt it was a bit cringey. But my BIL asked for permission to marry my sister, and he has been a dream BIL. Supported my sister and made her happy and has always been there for her, through thick and thin, and they celebrated their thirtieth wedding anniversary recently. He's the nicest bloke you could meet, cooks and does lots around the house and for their (now grown-up) kids. Red flag because he asked permission, indeed! How silly!

hmm, is it silly? To think that my daughters” potential life partners performing a ludicrous outdated sexist patronising ritual of asking their father if our daughter can be proposed to might suggest said bloke is a bit of a prick? Or at the very least not in keeping with the feminist principles they’ve been brought up with and therefore possibly not a great match?

LochKatrine · 22/09/2026 22:41

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:32

Future SIL is son-in-law.

And I was not saying that your family isn't respectful, ffs! How did you get that from me saying that a potential SIL asking permission is respectful?? It was about the OUTSIDER, not your family! JFC, another one who can't read! And before you twist that into "Not asking permission wouldn't mean he was disrespectful" - I agree! It's simply extra-respectful to do so, if you are being traditional. But you obviously don't get the point I was attempting to make, which is that (I'll try again) no one takes asking permission seriously, it's just a sweet gesture that is part of the whole traditional-wedding shebang for some. If you haven't been brought up with traditions - and many haven't, these days - then it won't mean anything to you, and in fact probably seems like a much more serious thing than it is! After all, I doubt very much that a) permission is ever denied and b) that the couple would take any notice if it was! It's purely ceremonial. Like the bride's father giving away the bride is purely ceremonial. Geddit?

Edited

It was you that used the term "respectful", linking it to this particular practise.
As a family we are respectful in spite of not following that particular tradition. The man "asking the father's permission" has never existed in my family, including 40 years ago when I got married or 70 years ago when my parents did.
So if it works for you and yours, fine.
We are all different.
It's not something that would ever happen in my family. It certainly wouldn't make me "pink with pleasure" (sic)
Geddit? .

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 22:43

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:36

What an odd attitude. My exH didn't ask Dad's permission, and I was fine with that. I felt it was a bit cringey. But my BIL asked for permission to marry my sister, and he has been a dream BIL. Supported my sister and made her happy and has always been there for her, through thick and thin, and they celebrated their thirtieth wedding anniversary recently. He's the nicest bloke you could meet, cooks and does lots around the house and for their (now grown-up) kids. Red flag because he asked permission, indeed! How silly!

Oh sorry I missed that he “cooks and does lots around the house” 🤣🤣🤣.

I suppose the extent to which all that permission stuff would raise hackles depends on how a family generally feels about sexism which is clearly variable

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:43

outerspacepotato · 22/09/2026 21:35

I think it's a very outdated and patriarchal and sexist tradition that needs to go completely. First, no one owns another. Times have changed, thank goodness, and women are autonomous beings under the law. Second, families have changed, they're not cookie cutter a man a woman and their kids. How many women are not just single parents, but lone parents?

I don't think it's sweet at all to have men discussing what to do with women's lives. That would have been a deal breaker for me.

Depends how seriously you're taking it. It's just ceremonial, like the father giving away the bride is ceremonial. I mean, if you're going to take it all literally and seriously, then a traditional wedding is the most sexist thing ever! The dad "giving" away his daughter to man, the white wedding dress symbolising her virginity, and the ornateness of the dress symnolising its value (🤢) the bride wearing a veil so that evil spirits can't recognise her (why only her wear a veil?) and the sheer grossness of the words in the traditional wedding service "With my body I honour you" while the entire congregation immediately pictures them having sex! Not because they want to, but because of the same principle that if someone says "Do NOT think about a purple elephant" what do you think of? And the stuff about being blessed with children - not everyone wants them!

But most people who have traditional weddings - which may or may not include the permission thing - aren't thinking about it that deeply or literally.

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 22:47

To whom is it “extra respectful” when a bloke asks another bloke about marrying a woman? Not the woman, surely?

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:50

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 22:43

Oh sorry I missed that he “cooks and does lots around the house” 🤣🤣🤣.

I suppose the extent to which all that permission stuff would raise hackles depends on how a family generally feels about sexism which is clearly variable

Why's that funny? He's a great house-husband (albeit he does also work full-time, as does she.) They are a team.

Yes, the family is quite socially conservative. Me less so. I wasn't bothered about the permission thing. I also refused to have a receiving line. Thought it was the most conservative and hidebound, old-fashioned thing I'd ever heard of, and exH felt the same. Of course, the joke ended up being on us because it meant I didn't actually have time to meet and greet everyone, and in future years often didn't always know who exH was referring to when it came to extended family/family friends. And vice versa. It would be like,

"Oh, so-and-so's died."
"Who?"
"So-and-so. You know. They were at the wedding, wearing the xyz."
"I don't remember, sorry."

If we'd had a receiving line, we'd both have met everyone!

SulkingInTheCatio · 22/09/2026 22:50

You say you continually talk about kids names. Well next time just tell him you won’t be having kids without being married so he needs to realise that children may not happen. Maybe that will galvanise him into proposing. You’re right time for children isn’t infinite……if he does propose maybe a quicker small registry office might be an idea?? It sounds like he might not be keen on a big wedding?? Do you think the stress of a wedding might be putting him off marriage?

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:51

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 22:47

To whom is it “extra respectful” when a bloke asks another bloke about marrying a woman? Not the woman, surely?

Sigh. It's ceremonial.

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 22:53

Sigh. It’s sexist and deeply unpleasant

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 22:54

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:50

Why's that funny? He's a great house-husband (albeit he does also work full-time, as does she.) They are a team.

Yes, the family is quite socially conservative. Me less so. I wasn't bothered about the permission thing. I also refused to have a receiving line. Thought it was the most conservative and hidebound, old-fashioned thing I'd ever heard of, and exH felt the same. Of course, the joke ended up being on us because it meant I didn't actually have time to meet and greet everyone, and in future years often didn't always know who exH was referring to when it came to extended family/family friends. And vice versa. It would be like,

"Oh, so-and-so's died."
"Who?"
"So-and-so. You know. They were at the wedding, wearing the xyz."
"I don't remember, sorry."

If we'd had a receiving line, we'd both have met everyone!

It will become less funny when I ever hear of any woman being described as being great because she does a lot around the house, and cooks etc

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:54

LochKatrine · 22/09/2026 22:41

It was you that used the term "respectful", linking it to this particular practise.
As a family we are respectful in spite of not following that particular tradition. The man "asking the father's permission" has never existed in my family, including 40 years ago when I got married or 70 years ago when my parents did.
So if it works for you and yours, fine.
We are all different.
It's not something that would ever happen in my family. It certainly wouldn't make me "pink with pleasure" (sic)
Geddit? .

Edited

Hahaha, I bet it would if it actually happened. You'd be pink, pink, pink! For a month!

saraclara · 22/09/2026 22:55

Are we back in the 1950s? Why are you waiting for him to propose @gingerandpeppermint ? You're perfectly capable of proposing to him. If he says no, you know where you are.

I was the one that brought up marriage to my boyfriend. That was in the late 1970s. We were married eight months later.

You are ridiculously passive and old-fashioned. Just ask him.

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:55

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 22:53

Sigh. It’s sexist and deeply unpleasant

It is if you actually take it seriously!

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:58

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 22:54

It will become less funny when I ever hear of any woman being described as being great because she does a lot around the house, and cooks etc

Oh yeah. I see what you mean.

But my comment was really borne from the fact that SO many men don't do their half. Not because it's so good that HE does it. He SHOULD do it.

ETA: If it helps, I also think my sis is great for the way she helps run a big house and three children and does all that she does, including the many nice meals that she cooks.

LochKatrine · 22/09/2026 23:01

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:54

Hahaha, I bet it would if it actually happened. You'd be pink, pink, pink! For a month!

Unlikely, I'm not white. Let's just leave this nonsense here.

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 23:04

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 22:55

It is if you actually take it seriously!

Why do it if you don’t?

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 23:05

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 22:40

hmm, is it silly? To think that my daughters” potential life partners performing a ludicrous outdated sexist patronising ritual of asking their father if our daughter can be proposed to might suggest said bloke is a bit of a prick? Or at the very least not in keeping with the feminist principles they’ve been brought up with and therefore possibly not a great match?

Again, if you're going to labour everything and take it all ultra-literally and seriously, then yes, you would think that way. But if that's the way you feel about tradition, I'm guessing you would choose to have a non-religious service and a modern take on everything surrounding the wedding. Neither way is better, but I just want to say that people who go traditional don't really think that the permission thing is real or that the dad really is giving his daughter away! At least, I hope they don't!

If I marry again, I'm going to do it in a monkey costume and have a bouncy castle! 🤣🤣

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 23:07

CreativeGreen · 22/09/2026 23:04

Why do it if you don’t?

Same reason that so many people still do the dad giving away the daughter thing, I suppose. Because it's tradition. Which some people like. They don't really think that the dad is giving his daughter to someone!

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 23:08

LochKatrine · 22/09/2026 23:01

Unlikely, I'm not white. Let's just leave this nonsense here.

Has it been a long day? You seem to have misplaced your sense of humour!

LochKatrine · 22/09/2026 23:08

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 23:08

Has it been a long day? You seem to have misplaced your sense of humour!

What?!

Loulouboho · 22/09/2026 23:13

Yes to the Q. It’s a crazy amount of pressure to put on someone at the behest of a drunken stag do comment. You’re lucky to find someone you’re so comptable with but I would find this level of pressure and expectation from a partner exhausting.

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 23:16

LochKatrine · 22/09/2026 23:08

What?!

Beddy-byes time for tired Mumsnetters!

🛀🏾🛌🏾🫖🍵🧸📖 💤🌙

LochKatrine · 22/09/2026 23:17

CrazyMidget · 22/09/2026 23:16

Beddy-byes time for tired Mumsnetters!

🛀🏾🛌🏾🫖🍵🧸📖 💤🌙

Bizarre.

caringcarer · 22/09/2026 23:21

Don't get pregnant unless you're married. Have a conversation and tell him you love him but you want DC but won't get pregnant unless you are married. Tell him your biological clock is ticking and you want to marry him but can't wait around for him forever. If he doesn't want to marry you you could move on and find someone who does want to.

Nottulip · 23/09/2026 07:03

shuggles · 22/09/2026 20:23

@gingerandpeppermint I told him 3 years was a LONG time not to be engaged

It absolutely isn't. That's a short timeline for engagement, not a long timeline. All people I know who are married were in a relationship for many years before getting married.

I would have thought that 6 - 8 years or more would be a far more sensible timeline for a proposal to happen.

Have you ever proposed to anyone @shuggles or been proposed to? If so - how long together beforehand?