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DP secret debt - help

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Headspangle · 12/09/2026 22:39

Named changed but been ok here for years. Possibly outing myself with this thread but I am in desperate need of advice.
Been with DP for 7 years, 2 very young kids plus one teen each from previous relationship.
since the birth of our first baby together we have had the usual common issues of being distant, life imbalance, resentment, just general trenches of having young kids. However despite our difficulties and arguments I still held onto hope that once the kids got a bit older then things would get easier etc.
well long story short I’ve found out only once pushed that he has secretly got himself into £25k worth of debt. I went for an affordability meeting as we had been talking about moving and upgrading etc so when I had to ask him about any debts i was dumbfounded with what he told me. In fact, initially he said it was £15k which was bad enough but actually turns out it was much more. He said it got out of control and was using credit cards while money was tight and that although it’s a lot he’s on top of it - I’ve seen the credit report and his score is good but it’s still a huge debt and means all plans for the future and savings for holidays etc are out the window while he pays it back - for what he said is ‘only 4 years’ …
im livid and heartbroken and don’t know what to do. We have a mortgage but are not married. I love him and want our children to have stability but how can I trust him - he was always going to try keep it from me. On the one hand he has said sorry and it was wrong etc but then when I was crying and saying how heartbroken I am he said nothing and has made no plan for how he is going to rebuild my trust etc. he even got angry when I said I can’t believe he’s done this to our family and stormed out.
move also been a single parent for years with jy eldest and I can’t bare to go through it all again and uproot our lives - I’d be forced to relocate and lose my job I’ve worked hard for as couldn’t afford where we live now slone and have no support near me.
thoughts? Please be kind.

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ExplodingSmittens · 23/09/2026 07:26

Sunbringer · 22/09/2026 20:58

If he wants to be with you is absolutely up to him. You asked what HE WANTED not what will or might or must happen. Just his opinion, and he wouldn’t even tell you that.

Such a massive betrayal and he won’t even tell his wife he wants to stay married to her.

The OP isn’t married so in some ways it may be easier to prove that the debts aren’t hers.

Headspangle · 23/09/2026 12:58

I’ve ended up booking the relationship counselling myself as it’s making me so anxious waiting around. Once we have a professional in front of us hopefully they will call him out on any manipulative behaviour and we can see if there’s any chance of us getting through this or if I want to try anyway.

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Motnight · 23/09/2026 13:05

So you continue to be the only one doing anything practical to save your relationship, Op.

TheThingOnTheIce · 23/09/2026 13:08

I’m really not sure I’d go for couple counselling whilst he continues to be dishonest
my ex banged on about counselling before we split but I knew there was no point when he was still being so dishonest, even with himself.
I would recommend some individual counselling for yourself however to try and deal with this

nolongeranutjob · 23/09/2026 13:28

I know a couple of people who have been to relationship counselling on their own. Both said it helped to have someone to talk things through with and at the end of the day if the relationship ends one person has given it their best shot and the other couldn't be bothered.

Whilst I don't believe for a second that someone has spent £25k on ebay, argos and pizza's it's still an indication of who he is if he doesn't have money for milk and he's buying takeaway pizza to chomp down all to himself. Feeding his kids should be his biggest priority.

Specialneedsnightmare · 23/09/2026 13:53

He's clearly not invested in your relationship op. He doesnt care.

I guess I would question why you're trying so hard when he doesn't want to?

DwarfPalmetto · 23/09/2026 14:34

Specialneedsnightmare · 23/09/2026 13:53

He's clearly not invested in your relationship op. He doesnt care.

I guess I would question why you're trying so hard when he doesn't want to?

Exactly this. He is the one who should be working hard to win back your trust. Instead he is doing exactly nothing to save the relationship.

It's really difficult. He is not the man you thought he was. The family life you thought you had and the future you envisioned are now kaput. Best to put your energy into imagining and planning your future without him.

Imdunfer · 23/09/2026 14:44

Headspangle · 23/09/2026 12:58

I’ve ended up booking the relationship counselling myself as it’s making me so anxious waiting around. Once we have a professional in front of us hopefully they will call him out on any manipulative behaviour and we can see if there’s any chance of us getting through this or if I want to try anyway.

He's telling you he's just not interested in saving his relationship with his family.

When are you going to believe him?

ExplodingSmittens · 23/09/2026 16:38

Headspangle · 23/09/2026 12:58

I’ve ended up booking the relationship counselling myself as it’s making me so anxious waiting around. Once we have a professional in front of us hopefully they will call him out on any manipulative behaviour and we can see if there’s any chance of us getting through this or if I want to try anyway.

I think Imdunfer did a really good summary of all the things you’ve said so far that should be noted and should help you end the relationship.

You’ve asked very little from him OP.

You’ve asked him to show you where the money has gone and you’ve asked him to book Couples Counselling.

I don’t think he can show you anymore clearly that he’s not prepared to put in the slightest bit of effort to keep the relationship going. As a PP said, “when a man says he’s not good enough for you, believe him”.

Do go to the Couples Counselling though. Tell your DM exactly what’s going on and have her babysit. I honestly doubt he’ll be there at the session but go anyway, I think a session by yourself will be of far more help.

I honestly don’t think that if he does go to Counselling with you it’s going to provide the pivotal change in his thinking and behaviour that you hope.

It’s been well over a week now, almost two and he hasn’t shown the slightest glimmer of accepting that he’s in the wrong, never mind trying to fix things. He’s also trying to blame you and shut down any conversations you have.

I think that hanging on in the hope that he will miraculously change will be a waste of your precious time.

You really do deserve better and so do your DC Flowers

EarringsandLipstick · 23/09/2026 17:35

Oh @Headspangle I'm so sorry.

I have just caught up on your posts from the last week or so, up to today's post about relationship counselling.

Honestly, as I wrote before, it's like looking in a mirror.

I know to normal, intelligent people it seems unbelievable that such debt could accumulate without there being a reason but I promise you it is possible. That was my situation with my (now ex) H.

It can be one of two things

  • A genuinely chaotic individual who is not financially literate in the sense of not getting income / expenditure and how easily spending can accumulate
  • All of the above but someone who weaponises it as a form of control, power, own demons around money and its significance that impact their ability to plan, discuss, agree and be reasonable about it (e.g. limited money in childhood so they think they are 'entitled' to spend / buy nice things, regardless of income or other priorities (like family).

The first is still very hard to do but is possible to manage, often it's accompanied by genuine bewilderment ('where is my money going?') and a lot of remorse. With discussion, the other party can often take over managing the money and the person who is rubbish at it contributes in another way.

The second - there's no resolution, in my view, and in my direct experience. Financial control is often seen as abusive when it is about controlling someone's access to money e.g. not letting them have any. But it's a particularly insidious form of abuse to spend recklessly and in an unexplained manner, refuse to account for it and literally drive the other person mad with their refusal to discuss it, to accept certain conditions, to respect the boundaries that are set. I lived this. I will never forget it. All my budgeting and checking and planning - and he would drain our money in all sorts of insane ways but always, always have some mental explanation as to why it wasn't his fault, it was really mine, would have some future plan that would make it ok, would go around and around in circles never getting to the truth until I was demented.

It's awful (we are divorced now, a nightmare process, and he is meant to split educational and medical costs with me, and he still does it. Sometimes he just doesn't pay but more often he'll pay a certain amount - but then decide that that same amount of money is to cover, say, 4 separate payments. My head hurts just trying to engage with him. Or he'll get indignant he has to pay anything as 'he has no money', 'his life is so hard', and he may have just been on a two week trip abroad.

Back to you OP, please don't go to counselling. It's pointless. He is not interested in changing, and what he will likely do is pretend to be, and waste more of your time and money.

I'm really sorry but there is no way of fixing this. It's over. You need to focus on getting yourself organised in whatever way you can, and moving on from him, and limiting the harm he is doing. Happy for you to DM me.

EarringsandLipstick · 23/09/2026 17:40

Specialneedsnightmare · 23/09/2026 13:53

He's clearly not invested in your relationship op. He doesnt care.

I guess I would question why you're trying so hard when he doesn't want to?

Not to speak for the OP, but I was this soldier too. We had oodles of relationship counselling - he would go along fairly happily, and would play for a good long while but nothing ever changed and I remember the day the counsellor finally said, I don't think we are getting anywhere here (that was 1 year of counselling at that point, having had more counselling before) and he replied simply, 'well I wasn't the one that needed to change. It was [me]'. Her jaw dropped and she asked him what he meant, and he said, 'I only came along because she's the one with all the problems, and she needed to change'. The counsellor actually couldn't speak (I saw her once more on my own after this and she said she had gone to her supervisor and needed nearly a counselling session herself after it all).

The reason I did it was a) I was desperate to save the marriage, I believed in being married, we had 3 very small children [though the issues started particularly after we had our first, and the counselling started then too] and it seemed daft to end a marriage over 'him being bad with money' (of course it was much, much deeper than that but I didn't see it and b) it didn't seem bad enough. Money is treated as a practical matter, a household task but in fact it is so imbued with emotion and significance, it's a real predictor for all other parts of our relationship. I simply couldn't see that his financial abuse was one way of making my life a living hell.

(I still rue how much money we spent on counselling when we could ill afford it).

Princessfluffy · 23/09/2026 19:27

He’s breadcrumbing you OP

grinandslothit · 23/09/2026 19:48

Imdunfer · 23/09/2026 14:44

He's telling you he's just not interested in saving his relationship with his family.

When are you going to believe him?

Such a good comment and true
His actions have shown he's not interested in saving the relationship
He thinks that if he stalls long enough you will just go back to business as usual

triballeader · 24/09/2026 18:55

If you were my daughter l would far rather you told me things were not great and sailing into real trouble than not. Do seriously consider telling your mum sooner rather than later especially if she is supportive and caring of you.

(it does depend on the kind of mother daughter relationship you have though. My DDs DH had to get court injunctions served on his family backed by the police for very good reasons. )

ExplodingSmittens · 24/09/2026 20:16

I think the last few posts have been very poignant.

Yes, I do think he is giving you very small glimmers of hope for your future and it’s a ploy to silence you.

He doesn’t want to explain anything. He does want to put in the work to change or pay off the debt.

What he wants is to do exactly what he wants to do and for you never to mention any of this again. That’s not a situation I could accept myself and I woukd suggest that it would be totally untenable for you too.

I also agree about telling your Mum but understand that’s not always easy. My M is very much not a Darling Mum so so would probably be one of the last people I’d tell but if your Mum supports you, then definitely plan to tell her soon Flowers

Headspangle · 25/09/2026 02:58

Part of me wants to tell my mum but first jy she’s definitely not a ‘Darling’ mother and would panic and get whipped up into a state. Also we are meant to be going on holiday with her in a few weeks time so I dont want to risk ruining that. He has finally started to open up and say how much he hates himself for what he’s done and tht he was reckless and stupid etc.
I feel a bit numb to it at the moment and have told him whilst I appreciate his apology the way he has treated me so far has been awful and thst only the actions he takes now will determine if I can trust him again, and even then potentially too much damage may have been done.

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Goatsarebest · 25/09/2026 06:15

Have you seen the full bank statements yet. It just bluster until he comes completely clean with those.

Headspangle · 25/09/2026 06:54

Goatsarebest · 25/09/2026 06:15

Have you seen the full bank statements yet. It just bluster until he comes completely clean with those.

I’ve seen a lot of his current account and same for his PayPal credit . He says the other cards were just balance transfers 🤷🏻‍♀️. My impression is that the issue has been goijg on for years. He already had about £5k worth of debt that I didn’t knkw aboit when we moved in our home aroind 4 years ago and he’s just kept adding to it

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ExplodingSmittens · 25/09/2026 07:15

I think the holiday with your DM is not something I’d worry about now. Are you able to cancel the holiday and get some money back? I’m not sure I’d be strong enough to be on holiday with a partner who had let me down so spectacularly.

Headspangle · 25/09/2026 07:33

ExplodingSmittens · 25/09/2026 07:15

I think the holiday with your DM is not something I’d worry about now. Are you able to cancel the holiday and get some money back? I’m not sure I’d be strong enough to be on holiday with a partner who had let me down so spectacularly.

it’s so go visit family hence why I’m taking my mum so I can’t cancel it. He could potentially not come but then I’d have to let my mum know what’s happened

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 25/09/2026 07:41

He has finally started to open up and say how much he hates himself for what he’s done and tht he was reckless and stupid etc.

Yes, that's all very well. What's he actually DOING to come clean about this instead of beating himself up (and appealing to your sympathy, presumably to get you to say 'there there, dear, it's not so bad, I still love you?')

What practical steps has he taken? like, showing you the statements? never mind what he says about what a bad bad person he is, what's he doing to change?

Headspangle · 25/09/2026 07:47

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 25/09/2026 07:41

He has finally started to open up and say how much he hates himself for what he’s done and tht he was reckless and stupid etc.

Yes, that's all very well. What's he actually DOING to come clean about this instead of beating himself up (and appealing to your sympathy, presumably to get you to say 'there there, dear, it's not so bad, I still love you?')

What practical steps has he taken? like, showing you the statements? never mind what he says about what a bad bad person he is, what's he doing to change?

Yep I know … I’ve had to drag any info I’ve got out of him. This weekend I’ve said we need to do a full budget and figure everything out - so there’s an opportunity for him engage with that in a way that shows he is serious about ‘sorting it out’ but will see how well he does with that

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Firefly100 · 25/09/2026 07:49

I’d tell your mum what has happened and go alone. Then I would give him a deadline for unfettered access to all his accounts or you are over and will only discuss how to separate after that date. So far, it is shaping up that he can claim he ‘has done as you asked’ but you still have no real idea what the money has been spent on. You can’t build a future on that basis and you will be here again in a few years time only even poorer.

ExplodingSmittens · 25/09/2026 08:25

Also saying that the other CCs are just balance transfers isn't being open and honest with you. If the only thing on them was a credit transfer then why withhold showing you?

I wouldn’t believe him about this OP. Not with the amount of lies and manipulation you’ve had to endure so far.

DH used to have a work colleague who everyone said “you can tell when he’s lying, it’s everytime he speaks”. Sounds like you e got yourself another one Flowers

MsPrufrockk · 25/09/2026 08:32

Headspangle · 25/09/2026 07:33

it’s so go visit family hence why I’m taking my mum so I can’t cancel it. He could potentially not come but then I’d have to let my mum know what’s happened

I think you could do with a chance to clear your head without him bleating about how sad he is while simultaneously not showing you everything.

He's obviously managing to confuse you, so having a break without him might be a good idea.

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