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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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echobench · 03/03/2020 14:49

Yes I get that @Tinnednut. Was going to go into detail as to why that is causing problems right now but am fearful of speaking out of turn and getting in to the Daily Fail. Basically, the NHS is not ready for this. I know this for a fact.

Effieray · 03/03/2020 14:50

@nato

Sending you love 💐

echobench · 03/03/2020 14:50

@ofwarren 's info is easily verifiable by a simple search on twitter, @SuckingDieselFella .

If for some reason you are irked by her reporting of facts, which many of us find helpful, you can simply mute this thread.

Neverenoughcoffee · 03/03/2020 14:50

Someone was asking about meal ideas using tins.
Try jack monroe on Facebook. She has lots of ideas for food using tins and minimal ingredients.

itsnotjustflu · 03/03/2020 14:52

@rhij86 Sky says the 15 are currently unknown origin

SuckingDieselFella · 03/03/2020 14:53

@echobench

How do you know they are facts?

Tinnednut · 03/03/2020 14:53

I've read the gov document not it's actually not that bad the nothing that we already didn't know. At this point in time they definitely are not going to close schools however if it gets worse sounds like they plan to do it.

4.42 in 2009 swine flu pandemic school holidays significantly slowed transmission of the virus.

4.45 actions considered... Population distancing strategies such a school closures, encouraging greater home working, reducing the number of large scale gatherings to slow spread... Whilst ensuring the country ability to continue to run as normally as possible.
The U.K. government education departments planning assumptions include the possibility of having to close educational settings in order to reduce the spread of infection.

  • considered to protect the vulnerable

Another part earlier also mentions early hospital releases with social care taking over by that I suspect they mean home carers who are already massively overly worked and poorly paid.

MoonlightMistletoe · 03/03/2020 14:53

@SuckingDieselFella OfWarren has provided factual information and if you look at the thread properly you will notice all sources have been included.

This isn't scaremongering it's stating facts and being realistic. Prepping is sensible not panicking!

nibdedibble · 03/03/2020 14:53

@NatoPMT I really hope your friend has the flu and gets better as soon as possible.

@ofwarren Ignore any random plums. Your updates are great, thank you.

@Thorilicious My dh joined in on Sunday with the prepping. We're both quite practical and organised so keeping a level head but both clearly thinking about it without trying to wind each other up!

FelicityFebruary · 03/03/2020 14:53

As an aside , cold water plus a bar of normal soap is effective at cleaning hands of virus.

I've always thought warm was needed.

An important message if people don't bother because the water out and about is cold.

nibdedibble · 03/03/2020 14:55

@JustMeAndMyTins (great name) Those kids will be symptomless/low-symptom vectors, won't they? And he's the Chief Scientific Officer??!

I can't get my head round it. Perhaps they are thinking of exams - let's keep them going in as long as we can.

SuckingDieselFella · 03/03/2020 14:56

@MoonlightMistletoe If you want to live your life according to what an anonymous source wrote on mumsnet, good luck.

Tinnednut · 03/03/2020 14:56

@SuckingDieselFella because they have been consistently right for weeks and use reliable sources as discussed in the last two threads. Please go back and read them rather than clog this thread up with a repeat discussion.

NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 14:56

@SuckingDieselFella if you’re referring to me feeling anxious, it’s because my actual Real life friend ulus currently in a hotel room awaiting being taken to a clinic “for blood and urine tests”

Not cos of ofwarren, ta

Other posters....Thanks for the thoughts ❤️

itsnotjustflu · 03/03/2020 14:56

People don't take the bait of @SuckingDieselFella - ignore ignore ignore.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 14:56

I'm not here to do the work for you suckingdiesel
If you want a source, check twitter as I'm doing.

If anyone else wants a source on the other hand, they only need to ask.

LightofMine · 03/03/2020 14:56

Most people who have been following this thread do not feel scared by ofwarrens updates.

She has been extremely helpful in sharing the information quicker than other sources (and has always been proved correct - I trust the information she provides and you can always google it to find it yourself). It's actually helped reassure me and others who prefer to know the facts so we can assess our own risk and monitor the situation. This has been thrashed out already on here and overwhelmingly people wanted her to keep posting the updates. #RTFT

SuckingDieselFella · 03/03/2020 14:57

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pemberlyshades · 03/03/2020 14:58

@SuckingDieselFella I guess you're a bit of a newcomer to this thread- those who aren't are very grateful for @ofwarren and the updates she provides.
It's not scaremongering if it's the truth. All that is cited has sources that can be verified so if you don't like it please kindly go away.

Elsa8 · 03/03/2020 14:59

@ofwarren Thank you for all the updates you do - scanning down this thread when I get a spare moment at work it’s been really helpful to me. I think we all really appreciate it!

Hoping they give more details on where these new 51 cases are...

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 03/03/2020 15:00

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SuckingDieselFella · 03/03/2020 15:00

I don't like people whipping each other up into a frenzy.

It's a very bad idea.

ifonly4 · 03/03/2020 15:01

ofWarren has previously provided sources, which I find very hand to check for a quick update!

SuckingDieselFella · 03/03/2020 15:01

@WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles

Same to you.

Once again, thanks for proving my point.

MoonlightMistletoe · 03/03/2020 15:04

@NatoPMT I've just seen your comments and wish the best outcome for the current situation.