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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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GorkyMcPorky · 03/03/2020 15:06

Dont knock thorough hand washing though - if everyone properly and frequently washes their hands for 20 seconds with hot water and soap that will significantly cut down spread of the virus.

That's great if hot water and soap is easily accessible. It's routinely not in schools. Imagine trying to get 1200 kids through handwashing before and after lunch when break is 30 mins. Not possible. And the water is cold.

BookofJudith · 03/03/2020 15:06

Afternoon!

Thanks Ofwarren for your updates, I find them helpful.

Re schools, while the majority of the population is still healthy, containing them in large groups where some level of hygiene is maintained and certainly the ability to track contacts must be better than ad hoc day care and the chaos of soft play and “can you just have them for an hour?” that would be the spread disaster bound to happen.

I think that PHE/Govt prob has to play the long game. Preppers are on board but the “it’s fiiiiiiine” camp would go mad if schools started to shut with no cases in their town.

Once it seems a real and present risk to ordinary people, there won’t be a need to use force to ensure public health compliance- fear will do the job just nicely...

rhij86 · 03/03/2020 15:06

@itsnotjustflu thank you

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 15:08

I have been over to Costco. Bought

A business size first aid box ( in case NHS overload and a kid splits there head open)
Tow boxes of nitrile gloves
Tena ( in case I cough myself to death at least I wont smell of wee too - dignity ladies)
Two packs of loo roll
Ginormous pizza that neither fits in the oven, fridge or freezer and a pack of cookies ( because the kids might figure I went to Costco and they demand cookies on every trip. Pizza is like a IQ test to cook so God distraction for my mental wellbeing)

I hear lots of people asking for hand gel in Boots. They had a receipt to make your own with vodka, aloe vera and tea tree oil. I will look it up and post it

nibdedibble · 03/03/2020 15:09

@BookofJudith I take your point about what we'd do instead of schooling. It's obvious now you've put that forward as a possible reason.

rhij86 · 03/03/2020 15:09

@legoandloldolls good purchases - must admit am laughing at the thought of you puzzling over how to fit the pizza...well...anywhere!

BookofJudith · 03/03/2020 15:10

Gorky is correct. My youngest DC told me this morning that there are two taps for 90 children on his floor. I won’t bore you with the maths...

No handwashing on school entry, handgel at lunch. That’s all folks.

GrassyGreen · 03/03/2020 15:11

Savers have some hand gel (Medex) left to buy online. Maximum order of two per buyer. Smile

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 15:12

Carry on of Warren. Been here since the very first thread.

Great job

Neome · 03/03/2020 15:13

Dr John Campbell says vodka is not high enough in alcohol for hand gel.

IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying · 03/03/2020 15:14

*Sucking
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Yes, bloody ofwarren and her fucking #updates

Who does she think she is helping us get #prepared for a #highly contagious #novel virus #possible pandemic with #highly accurate #regular updates when her #backstory means she has more reason than most to give a lot of fucks what's happening.

I'm more that happy with the frenzied whipping if that's what you want to call our thread.

IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying · 03/03/2020 15:14

Oh sorry did you want links with that?Angry

Tinnednut · 03/03/2020 15:15

My DD has sensitive skin she reacts ok to Carex but if that becomes difficult to get hold of my plan is to use foaming hand wash and a bottle of water to rinse her hands.

rhij86 · 03/03/2020 15:16

@GrassyGreen brilliant, thank you! Just managed to order some. Been on the hunt for days!

FelicityFebruary · 03/03/2020 15:17

Apparently cold water and soap work against the virus.

Just been googling. If one of you is a biologist and its been misreported please let me know!

Tinnednut · 03/03/2020 15:17

@echobench oh yes I understand that and can't say much more in case I get quoted in the daily shame.

LightofMine · 03/03/2020 15:19

@GrassyGreen I dont think the medex one is strong enough. I use that at home for general use but the alcohol content is not enough to kill viruses.

plimsolbridge · 03/03/2020 15:21

In regards to the Medex sanitiser, I was suspicious there was lots on the shelves in Savers at the weekend but everything else gone and when I checked the ingredients online it says it's 45% ethanol. I have a feeling that's no good for coronaviruses.

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 15:21

Black label vodka? Is that 70%? Need to find a Polish moonshiner then I guess!

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 15:23

Put vodka in a spray bottle and spray your tounge everytime you think of covid-19?

Dont knock until you've tried it 👍

Neome · 03/03/2020 15:25

Re schools.

No one will do this I would think but my view is schools near hospitals should plan to re organise for the duration. They should be staffed by people in low risk groups and teaching children of hospital staff and workers who are essential and can’t look after their children at home.

From now all fines should be suspended for any parent deciding to remove their child from any school to avoid Covid19.

This should free up some teacher time to start planning for delivering learning through the internet, should that be necessary.

The more of us willing and able to virtually self isolate our families the more delay of spread benefitting everyone so anyone positively choosing this should be supported.

More 3am thoughts to follow Grin

Tinnednut · 03/03/2020 15:26

My DH caught sight of my Pad stash assumed it was to see me through the next few periods. Blush

Tinnednut · 03/03/2020 15:28

@Neome that makes a lot of sense. Especially suspending fines for those that withdraw.

Neome · 03/03/2020 15:30

The reason soap and water work is because the virus is washed off with the sebum on our hands, warm water would work better than cold but best advice is watch Dr John Campbell on YouTube with hand washing video. Sorry can’t do link right now.

KundaliniRising · 03/03/2020 15:32

Odfod SuckingDieselFella

Thank you warren for the time and effort that you consistantly have given to us, a bunch of very appreciative online randoms.
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