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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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Effieray · 03/03/2020 14:00

@savythecat

Thank you. My partner nearby.

SuckingDieselFella · 03/03/2020 14:01

Is the #news from #twitter #reliable?

#Where does #it #come #from?

savethecat · 03/03/2020 14:01

I dont know where the dad and stepdad live though.I was just at the blink' aldi there yesterday

FourTeaFallOut · 03/03/2020 14:02

I hope if we are expected to nurse poorly members of our family through this illness far beyond the point you would be knocking on the door of the hospital, then we can have someone like Dr John Campbell do some YouTube basics about what we can do to help make people comfortable, (home ventilation kits anyone?) and the trigger points for when you have pushed past the viability of home care. I don't want someone who has spent the last month saying it's just the flu to sing the national anthem while we wash our fucking hands, I'd like someone trustworthy.

Justmum89 · 03/03/2020 14:03

So 12 new cases.......out of 386 tests! The tested numbers are getting lower every day!

permanentlyfrazzled1 · 03/03/2020 14:03

Does anyone know where the latest 11 cases are?

Funkycats · 03/03/2020 14:05

We keep hearing about panic buying. I haven't seen anybody with more than what looks like a normal trolley full of stuff.
What is panic buying?? It seems to be an insult thrown at anybody who has decided to buy a few bits extra on their normal shop, and a bottle or two of hand gel, because we are being told to use it.
Personally I've seen nothing like the pandemonium you see in the US on black Friday, or fights for a loaf of bread or anyone clearing the shelves of anything.
Noeuf what do you mean by being the sensible one?

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 14:05

32 cases of #coronavirus have been confirmed positive in #Norway- In total.

echobench · 03/03/2020 14:05

Interesting twitter thread here: twitter.com/kakape/status/1234603592407044096?s=20

Worth reading the whole thing but this struck me:

To be clear how lockdown worked: With households locked in, the virus had nowhere else to go but to other members of that household. Wait long enough and everyone in the household is exposed and transmission ceases.
So China beat down the virus. Two things to watch now: 1. What happens as measures are relaxed? Mike Osterholm says it’s "like suppressing a forest fire, but not putting it out. It’ll come roaring right back.” This is why everyone is watching those China numbers so closely.

echobench · 03/03/2020 14:07

Related to whether there are ICU beds kept in reserve for government ministers -- I wonder whether Prince George is still being sent to school?

Puppycorn · 03/03/2020 14:07

@Noeuf yes, too tricky.. but what I finally decided was to buy proper usual stuffs that will last for two weeks and buy only the boring things that we might need for survival for the other couple of weeks (rice/pasta/ready sauce) plus easy cooking foods/extra go-to food for little ones to eat if someone falls ill. I also made my first Costco order for kitchen and loo rolls/coffee etc and I should say I’m impressed and at the same time confused about where to put them when I have no space lol.

SuckingDieselFella · 03/03/2020 14:08

@ofwarren

#Where are you getting this #information?

Is it #reliable or are you just #scaremongering?

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 14:10

From the news on twitter..... Check it out if you don't believe it. Knob

TipseyTorvey · 03/03/2020 14:10

Ofwarren you're doing a great job. I for one value your updates. Please keep going. I couldn't give a toss about # or not.

VivaLeBeaver · 03/03/2020 14:11

@ofwarren has been posting very informative, factual stuff on these threads for weeks. Don’t think she’s scaremongering at all.

Orchidflower1 · 03/03/2020 14:12

@SuckingDieselFella

I think you’ll find that @ofwarren has been diligent in her links and sources can be provided should you ask #nicely.

@ofwarren has posted consistently on this and other threads and most people appreciate the fast updates. I’m sure if you wanted to post info without the # and monitor various sites, @ofwarren would appreciate the help.

itsnotjustflu · 03/03/2020 14:13

@SuckingDieselFella if you don't like updates from twitter then don't read this thread

echobench · 03/03/2020 14:14

I've just skimmed through that "action plan". What a load of ineffectual waffle. For a start, this para:
The UK maintains strategic stockpiles of the most important medicines and protective equipment for healthcare staff who may come into contact with patients with the virus. These stocks are being monitored daily, with additional stock being ordered where necessary.
This is literally untrue. There is no PPE in the department where DH works.

Also, there are nowhere near enough ICU beds even if the levels don't get particularly high.

Puppycorn · 03/03/2020 14:14

@ofwarren It’s actually very kind of you to post regular updates to keep us informed . Please keep doing them. I don’t mind hashtags at all.

itsnotjustflu · 03/03/2020 14:15

and may I suggest we just ignore @SuckingDieselFella now? talking to them will only make them feel better about themselves

Skyejuly · 03/03/2020 14:15

I actually just look for ofwarrens posts!

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 03/03/2020 14:16

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T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 03/03/2020 14:19

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles

I couldn’t have put it better, myself. 🤣

Lumene · 03/03/2020 14:19

Dont knock thorough hand washing though - if everyone properly and frequently washes their hands for 20 seconds with hot water and soap that will significantly cut down spread of the virus.

NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 14:22

My friend looks bad - he’s in a hotel room and waiting for the dr to arrive but he’s SOAKED in sweat and been in bed with shaking chills and a cough for 2 days, only just called the dr when he posted this afternoon on fb with a pic of his jumper soaked through and half his friends have posted in alarm

If he has it, he doesn’t have it mildly. Just hope his breathing stays good, he’s only just quit smoking

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