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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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Fourducksate · 03/03/2020 10:38

Coughing & leaking!! OMG I hadn’t thought of that 2 kids one 6 hrs pushing before emergency CS - my pelvic floors are crap 😳

I emailed school today as ds said hand gels were not by the computers or in classrooms. He has his own, but I asked if perhaps school could remind them to gel before lunch, or even entering the classroom. I also asked if they had gone through the correct hand washing procedure, the importance of soap and time.

Now I’m worrying they’ll think I’m neurotic!! Do you think it was a bit OTT?

NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 10:39

Victoria Derbyshire: “that’s really reassuring, that for 80% there will be milder symptoms” after being told that “only 1/5th” will need managing in hospital

How?!? How will the nhs care for one fifth of the CV infected???

This man is reassuring, reframing, this is the worst case...only 20%

It’s lying with the truth. 20% needing beds is enormous

WashingHandsBoris · 03/03/2020 10:41

yeah, might need to get some Tena pads. I do my exercises but still leak a little with a bad coughBlush

NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 10:42

Echo, these zinc tablets I have are called lozenges and are for keeping in the mouth Rather than swallowing with water like a tablet - the chemist called them supplements but I’m going with the former

My sore throat is still gone. Definitely impressed with them

WitchDoc · 03/03/2020 10:43

Now I’m worrying they’ll think I’m neurotic!! Do you think it was a bit OTT?

Nope. I wanted to write exactly this email a month ago. If they want to keep schools open then regular monitored hand washing should have been mandatory since a month ago & alcohol based handsanitizer should be available at every entrance, toilet & keyboard.
Also, cleaners should be in every night wiping door handles & gym equipment with disinfectant.

Brings me back to my earlier point.
If we already know this... why has it not already been implemented?

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 10:44

Boris about to do his announcement on ITV now. What will he say I wonder?

Keep calm and wash your hands? 🙄 it's just the flu?

So when did downing street lady do a seasonal flu announcement?

Nothing to see here, move along.....

NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 10:46

Outside Downing Street - normal smith talking about “government having in mind“ diverting police and army in “public order affairs”

This sounds like a euphemisms for control

NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 10:46

Norman not normal smith 😂😂

electrichedgehog · 03/03/2020 10:48

The UK government's coronavirus action plan is downloadable now: www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-action-plan

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 10:50

Wow that was mind blowing advice from Boris 🙄

WitchDoc · 03/03/2020 10:50

'Hot water & happy birthday twice'

But, but, but, the health secretary said it was ok to use cold waterAngry

WashingHandsBoris · 03/03/2020 10:51

fucks sake...................

NewYearNewTwatName · 03/03/2020 10:52

"nothing to see here, move along"

"we've got it covered"

"Just wash your hands"

"thanks for watching"

WitchDoc · 03/03/2020 10:53

Just trying to avoid panicking the public.

Fuck the 1% of already ill, immune compromised & vulnerable peasants. Useless eaters that cost us money

EliK · 03/03/2020 10:55

This isn't reassuring at all.

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 10:56

So up to 80% of the population infected, around 1% deaths. So how many dead is that?

WitchDoc · 03/03/2020 10:56

I'm flabbergasted.

What part of 1% of the population is likely to die from this is ok?

Ibloodylovewomen · 03/03/2020 10:57

FFS, they just don't care. It's like Brexit all over again. No substance, just soundbites that mean nothing.

QueSera · 03/03/2020 10:58

What a useless statement from the government. They just really don't care about people's lives. This is pure negligence.

CrapTVAddict · 03/03/2020 10:59

Why is our country the only one not shutting down mass events?Shock

WashingHandsBoris · 03/03/2020 10:59

We are doomed. Just got to look out for ourselves. I am well stocked up and am not going out.

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 11:00

If the worse case scenario is 80% infected that's really not good numbers. Looks we will see a sliding scale of more drastic measures over a 12 week period?

We are in stage 2, - wash your hands. Stage one was keep calm and carry on ......

seeyoubugaboo · 03/03/2020 11:01

Boris "The police will do what they have to do and the army will fill in as and when" ffs this man is supposed to be giving us the governments strategy to contain this outbreak and prevent the public from widespread hysteria...

MoonlightMistletoe · 03/03/2020 11:01

Is 1% 540000?

CrapTVAddict · 03/03/2020 11:01

Is that 80% of the UK infected or the world?