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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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ofwarren · 02/03/2020 21:06

Policeman, fireman test positive for coronavirus in Rome t.co/zWzA5QRhpV t.co/KTmq2jd1a2

NatoPMT · 02/03/2020 21:06

Looks like viral pneumonia as secondary infection

NatoPMT · 02/03/2020 21:07

Thanks ofwarren

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 21:08

Aujourd’hui j’ai fait les courses plus de pattes, surgelés , plus d’eau , plus rien a vu d’œil je pense cette histoire de coronavirus fait très peur à la France , faites vos courses car là sa va être chacun pour sa peau !!! #coronavirusfr #coronavirus #Coronavirusparis t.co/5A3ARnfbTV

Video of the panic buying in France

dementedma · 02/03/2020 21:13

Damn. I’m due to go to France in a couple of weeks to visit a very ill friend. hope things have calmed down by then!

FelicityFebruary · 02/03/2020 21:13

@BigChocFrenzy,

So no football crowds?

Uk officials basically repeat that life is going on.
So reactive it makes me want to scream.

Yes I'm thinking that IF it does recede in summer it may be back later, along with the next flu season!

FelicityFebruary · 02/03/2020 21:19

Ofwarren I was thinking of the fever hospitals of the past.
Now it's a motel.

wheresmymojo · 02/03/2020 21:20

I would say though that there is no evidence that cases will drop over the summer like influenza; that's just a theory.

At the moment I would tend towards thinking it won't as it is successfully spreading in a number of countries currently that have temperatures similar to our summer.

itsnotjustflu · 02/03/2020 21:27

Thought I'd read some of the other coronavirus threads....never again! what is up with people?! I think there could be lots of people in for a surprise

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 21:30

4th case of #coronavirus in #Czech Republic

VenetoResident · 02/03/2020 21:30

Bobbbbly I can only talk for the town near me in Veneto, but they locked down the commune. It's our equivalent of a village.

It took a couple of days after the initial announcement to put police on the roads to stop people entering and leaving. Before that people were driving and cycling through.

BridgeToTerabithia · 02/03/2020 21:37

@BigChocFrenzy which town is in quarantine in Germany please? Do you have a link?

Willow2017 · 02/03/2020 21:37

feckless non Preppers ringing 999 because Sainsbury's can't deliver until next week and they have no milk

People call 999 because they want a lift home as they missed the last bus or to have thier pizza delivered, so calling them to complain there isnt any milk isnt such a big stretch with some of the numpties in the world! Grin

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 21:37

@itsnotjustflu it's baffling isnt it.
Dont they see what has happened and is happening in the countries that had coronavirus before us?
There is just a fixation on "it's only 40" and not looking that those other places had only 40 at one point.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 21:40

San Antonio mayor declares state of emergency in a bid to keep Japan cruise ship evacuees in quarantine at Air Force base. More #coronavirus updates: t.co/tEl2axRKzy t.co/lwvdx9yLY0

VenetoResident · 02/03/2020 21:42

Best of luck @mogloveseggs 🤞🙏

It was several days for my DSs results - they were prioritising those of really ill people and hospital staff.

Pneumonia someone suggested thinking about how your lungs and breathing feel right now. Then take a deep breath and hold your breath for 10 seconds (timed). Is there any change in how they feel?

I took my kids to the doctor / hospital when they said it hurt. They both had pneumonia.

echobench · 02/03/2020 21:43

@Bramblespoint you have really got a cheek to say that. I went through the 111 online questionnaire. It advised me to click a button to contact out of hours GP. Out of hours GP called me to advise that we weren't in the area they covered so to call 111, despite DD's symptoms being mild, which I duly did.

111 person was very helpful and also told me I had done the right thing to call. DH is a hospital consultant and wanted me to call in case they needed to test DD or they needed to be aware of his travel history/medical contacts.

You clearly know better than the out of hours GP, 111, and an NHS consultant, though Hmm

itsnotjustflu · 02/03/2020 21:43

@ofwarren indeed. All they have to do is read a few articles to understand better.. I don't know maybe they have and they just won't accept or understand the inevitable. It seems to be that you either take this seriously and treat it with respect or you think the world is a safe place where there's gold at the end of rainbows

Skyejuly · 02/03/2020 21:50

Never before have I been so glad of stocking up!I went to get trainers today and locked my car doors while I done my hand gel. It sounds really far fetched but given there is none anywhere I bet people start getting annoyed soon...

Also 40 is 40 but yes by wednesday I reckon we will be close to 100.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/03/2020 21:54

@BridgeToTerabithia
As I posted, it's 1,000 people in one area, not an entire town cordoned off

It's Heinsberg in North Rhine-Westphalia
Also, all school and kindergartens in that area have been closed until at least Monday

Our health minister says Germany is at the start of an epidemic
We have 129 cases total

This is an English language source:

www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/02/28/germany-quarantines-1000-as-coronavirus-cases-push-past-50.html

BridgeToTerabithia · 02/03/2020 21:56

Thank you and apologies for the misunderstanding

BigChocFrenzy · 02/03/2020 21:56

German supermarkets report coronavirus panic buying

Yep, just starting to notice this here in my area & social circle
Coming your way soon .....

www.dw.com/en/german-supermarkets-report-coronavirus-panic-buying/a-52597644

BigChocFrenzy · 02/03/2020 21:56

No prob, bridge Smile

Destinysdaughter · 02/03/2020 22:04

This a very worrying thread on Twitter about what's been going on in Iran. It would seem that the numbers have been massively underreported

twitter.com/aliostad/status/1233668766124400640?s=19

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 22:05

U.S. Vice President Pence will provide an update on coronavirus in a few minutes. Watch live: t.co/S2lH51I3Re

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