What will it take for the Government to enact welfare reform?

[Schlossadler]

What has to break, before the Government is finally willing to enact welfare reform?

The last Labour reforms didn’t get through, we’ll see what they propose.

You ought to be thoroughly ashamed of what you just wrote.

@CitationNeededre. Entitlement to same standard of living as everyone else. I think the point is that no-one is entitled to any particular standard of living: their standard of living should align with what they can afford.

the issue is when everyone wants an ever increasingly luxurious standard of living but expects everyone else to pay for it.

That restriction applies to all. Abled and disabled.

You realise you are talking about people here?

And the ones that you 'reject'? Send them to the work house, asylum? Label them subhumans?

What if you are a median level tax payer? There are people here and in real life that believe that as long as disabled people are fed and housed and have basic needs met they shouldn’t get money for “luxuries” like holidays, social events, hobbies. Being disabled means all of those things are more expensive.

As I said I think lots of people would happily see the workhouses brought back.

Are you really so naive?

And are you one of them?

Yes, doubtless the back bench constituents are already mobilised.

Couple that with another round of tax rises in October, and things could get funky. The taxpayer is at breaking point - when you chuck in the COL, which Labour has failed to address, beyond the 2 quid bus fare cap….

Can I ask what you suggest the alternative is? A blank cheque book?

Taxpayers have a legal right to VfM and ensuring their money is being spent appropriately.

That applies to the disabled who many, to your point, are tax payers also.

I’m not talking about 5 star travel. I’m talking about access to normal socialising, a family holiday once a year, a hobby. Surely a disabled person has the right to the same standard of living as someone else who wants the same as them? PIP often provides that.

That the best you got?

Come on, you can do better.

Yes. And the taxpayer is at liberty to reduce his/her liability.

The government will have to simply suck up lower tax receipts.

No, I was making points relevant to the discussion. You’re really not coming off well on this thread.

Anyone can have anything (legal) they want if they can afford it. If it’s not affordable, can’t have it. Same concept applies to all

Nice question dodge. Do you really think all children have parents who look after them properly?

I’m a higher rate tax payer (the 40% bit). I now work full time with a very flexible employer.

I use her DLA for her needs, including more expensive travel, days out, safe foods, replacing clothes that get destroyed more quickly (sensory stuff), therapy etc .

Only because it's ultimately woman's decision to have a baby or not.

As to those denied benefits - maybe go and do the job which is currently done by imported low skilled labour? Fruit picking? or community services, e.g. cleaning parks?

OK then. What is your opinion on long Covid, ME and mental health conditions?

Thanks for explaining. I hope she and your family get the support you need for what is clearly a challenging situation

But they can’t afford it because they are disabled! So we exclude them from life because of that. Now apply that to women, gay people, black people.

Disabled people have the right to live the same as others. If life is 25% more expensive for disabled people you are saying it’s acceptable for them to earn the same as an able bodied person l, pay the same tax, but live less of a a life.

Only women can get pregnant and being punished for it.

Will they get payed a proper wage for those jobs?

See previous posts re. the options they have.

I job shared when mine were wee. I can assure you that I wasn’t “sitting on my arse”.

Best days of my life. Skint but every day was a laugh.

There are real limitations in how accurate the fraud figure is. Our systems don't necessarily communicate with each other like they do in Denmark. So getting an accurate picture of the real scale is difficult. The figures quoted are best guess, at best.

Why? Can you explain please?

it’s easy to promise everyone the world until you have to consider how to pay for it