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Dawn Butler racism just fine according to Labour

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Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 08:44

Well, didn’t take long for labour ministers to show their real beliefs did it. According to Dawn Butler, Kemi Badenoch is “a white supremacist in blackface” (with apologies to all for re-typing her massively offensive words). According to the lovely KS this is all just fine, nothing to see here, move along.

One rule for labour, one rule for everybody else. Again. Last time it was failure to declare gifts. This time it is blatant racism. How hideous this government is and what rank hypocrites.

Dawn Butler must have the whip withdrawn otherwise I don’t want to hear one more word from this racist government.

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quantumbutterfly · 04/11/2024 14:13

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 04/11/2024 13:15

I am cognisant of the rules but thanks anyway.

😁I am one with a tendency to digress but I hate being drawn into slanging matches.

We have a lot that's worth protecting in the UK and problems that need solutions. Dawn Butler seems to want to create problems rather than find solutions but perhaps she's a fabulous MP to her constituents.

I disagree that she gets a free pass to be racist because she's brown, if we strive for equality of opportunity. Otherwise we support the belief that all are equal but some are more equal than others.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 14:18

BotanicalGreen · 04/11/2024 13:35

I do condemn any racism and explicitly said so. Furthermore, my post wasn't addressed to your comments. It was addressing the comments about Starmer being lily livered if he doesn't address it (he has to IMO) or throwing her under a bus if he does. What do people want him to do?

Thank you and apologies for biting your head off.

I want him to withdraw the whip. I said so in my opening post.

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Queensguide · 04/11/2024 14:28

Westofeasttoday · 04/11/2024 11:28

Panic buttons exist in the homes of a lot of MPs not just Labour ones so your point doesn’t quite work here. And a bit of irony for you? Nigel Farage has them and strong security due to serious threats etc and his wife is black (and that ain’t the reason he has them!).

My point was that no politician should have to suffer this regardless of their leanings.

Dappy777 · 04/11/2024 14:34

In general, I find left-wing people far nastier than moderate conservatives. Frankie Boyle is a good example. He has said the most horrific things over the years. He made tasteless jokes about Jade Goody, for example. There are lines you don’t cross in life, and that was one of them. When a young woman, with small children, dies of cancer, you don’t joke about it. You just don’t. He also made vile jokes about Saddam Hussein’s execution. Hussain was a wicked man, but you don’t laugh at someone being hung. I don’t believe Boyle cares about the poor one tiny bit. He seems motivated entirely by hatred. And like so many left-wing people, he is destructive. A lot of lefties never grow out of the adolescent rebel stage. You know, the desire to smash things just to get a reaction. But like so many left-wing people, Boyle uses his politics as a kind of mask or shield. “I’m left-wing, which means I’m a goodie, which means my nastiness doesn’t count”. I get the same vibe off Russell Brand. “OK, I might be a serial abuser, but I wrote a book calling for left-wing revolution, so I can’t be a bad man.” To be left-wing means to be good, end of story. Time and again I’m struck by the similarities between left-wing people and religious fundamentalists.

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 14:46

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 11:40

Brilliant posts from @TwigletsAndRadishes and @KindQuail who so eloquently expressed how I feel. Thank you (and I do need the help because according to a pp I am so frantic my words don’t count!)

Frantic isn't an insult. Distraught, fired up, worried, upset.

You sound those things. I was trying to suggest ways you might get your voice heard elsewhere, somewhere other than MN where your words might produce tangiable results.

I never said your words didn't count.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 15:04

Distraught - no; worried - no but thank you for your concern.

Fired up and upset by DB’s racist re-tweet - yes, yes I am. I think that’s an entirely reasonable response rather than frantic and overwrought as some posters have tried to paint me.

Don’t you feel fired up and upset by what DB retweeted @Queensguide?

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EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 04/11/2024 15:11

quantumbutterfly · 04/11/2024 14:13

😁I am one with a tendency to digress but I hate being drawn into slanging matches.

We have a lot that's worth protecting in the UK and problems that need solutions. Dawn Butler seems to want to create problems rather than find solutions but perhaps she's a fabulous MP to her constituents.

I disagree that she gets a free pass to be racist because she's brown, if we strive for equality of opportunity. Otherwise we support the belief that all are equal but some are more equal than others.

Fair - I couldn’t agree with you more.

The lady has form, as they say.

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 15:11

@Babadookinthewardrobe I have already said I do not condone her retweet many times on this thread.

I'm not fired up and upset about it because I am seeing other MPs condeming Dawn Butler's retweet and am waiting to see the outcome.

The issues on which I do get fired up and upset about I campaign on and have done all my life. For me they are environmental and animal welfare issues.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 15:13

We’ll kindly stop belittling my language and condescending to me @Queensguide - distraught my arse - can you hear yourself?

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BotanicalGreen · 04/11/2024 15:26

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 15:11

@Babadookinthewardrobe I have already said I do not condone her retweet many times on this thread.

I'm not fired up and upset about it because I am seeing other MPs condeming Dawn Butler's retweet and am waiting to see the outcome.

The issues on which I do get fired up and upset about I campaign on and have done all my life. For me they are environmental and animal welfare issues.

Well each to their own causes but there is absolutely nothing wrong with getting fired up and upset about blatant racism.

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 15:29

BotanicalGreen · 04/11/2024 15:26

Well each to their own causes but there is absolutely nothing wrong with getting fired up and upset about blatant racism.

I never said there was. I was suggesting productive channels for targeting that fire and passion.

Absolutely impossible to engage here on a productive and constructive level.

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 15:29

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 15:13

We’ll kindly stop belittling my language and condescending to me @Queensguide - distraught my arse - can you hear yourself?

I hope you get what you want from this thread @Babadookinthewardrobe

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 15:37

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 15:29

I hope you get what you want from this thread @Babadookinthewardrobe

TBF "distraught" and "frantic" do suggest an inability to think rationally and clearly and being over emotional. It's pretty cutting to describe someone else in those terms. Why don't you just acknowledge it and move on.

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 04/11/2024 17:08

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 11:09

Has anyone on here condoned her tweet?

@Queensguide , yes there has been a rather racist in my opinion ‘reason’ as to why it was a quite acceptable thing for Ms Butler to say

Gummybear23 · 04/11/2024 17:37

I see Kemi has picked preti 'awful' patel.

Must have been difficult picking the talent.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 18:47

ODFO and start your own thread @Gummybear23

Anyone heard any update from DB or KS on Dawn’s opinions? I’m not on X so might have missed Dawn’s gracious apology and commitment to learn from this.

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leli · 04/11/2024 19:07

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 12:19

I hope it's just a lack of knowledge on her part that makes her say that. Hopefully she will be able to read up on the issue now.

I am not an idiot thank you very much. I understand the issues. I repeat - I do not see why farmers should have a special right to inherit without paying tax. Yes, maybe they will have to sell their farms just as wealthy people have always had to do and middle class people with their estates too.

NoCarbsForMe · 04/11/2024 20:05

Yeah right Dawn's racist 😂😂😂

NoCarbsForMe · 04/11/2024 20:07

Gummybear23 · 04/11/2024 17:37

I see Kemi has picked preti 'awful' patel.

Must have been difficult picking the talent.

Quell surprise! 😳

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 20:30

NoCarbsForMe · 04/11/2024 20:05

Yeah right Dawn's racist 😂😂😂

Dawn Butler retweeted that Kemi Badenoch is a white supremacist in blackface. In what world is that not vile racism?

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EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 20:32

NoCarbsForMe · 04/11/2024 20:05

Yeah right Dawn's racist 😂😂😂

Did you find the comment ok? Why?

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 20:33

Is it alright for Dawn to say any old offensive crap as long as it’s Dawn saying it? So it would appear according to @NoCarbsForMe

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Abuse does not win arguments.

ByMerryKoala · 04/11/2024 20:42

Dawn Butler does seem to have the most extraordinary amount of leeway to say the most dreadful things about MPs without any consequence.