Will you make it to Heaven? Cont.

[VincitVeritas1]

Feel free to join me in a discussion about Heaven according to the Holy Bible/ Christianity in general.

Not much for quite some time, I agree, but the planet would recover without us eventually.

I haven’t done anything wrong and not lying so nothing to confess😆

Well, I've listened to death metal and had some premarital sex (which I do not regret for a moment) so I'm doomed to Hell if your god is really going to be that petty.

They aren’t sins - just normal everyday life. Sins are only when you do something wrong.

Well, I've listened to death metal and had some premarital sex (which I do not regret for a moment) so I'm doomed to Hell if your god is really going to be that petty.

They aren’t sins - just normal everyday life. Sins are only when you do something wrong.

I'm not sure either of you have been listening at the back of the class @pointythings and @Parker231

@VincitVeritas1 - you have confused doing something wrong = bad (aka a sin if you want to use that type of language) and normal everyday life = good

We absolutely have, we just happen to think the concept of sin is bullshit. You either do something that is objectively wrong, or you don't. Premarital sex between two consenting adults who have no other commitments is not wrong - unless you believe a petty deity says it is.

I see it implied

Why not?

I'm not confusing anything.

So you think normal everyday day activities are a sin?

Where do you want to go with this argument? We're back to the question of what truth is.

I've already explained what I think sin is.

Look, I know you really want the Nero thing to disappear but it’s not as it’s a fundamental point. I understand what you are saying, you are saying that Nero didn’t do some of the things in Revelation during his lifetime therefore it cannot be him. What I’m saying is, at the time John wrote Revelation it was expected Nero would come back and John said then the things listed in Revelation would happen. It is a common trope in myth that the main players will come back.

No I’m not saying that, I’m saying followers of Jesus should be Jews. They are Gods chosen people after all.

All sorts of weird shit is believed in CofE congregations- fundamentalist evangelicals to someone who goes along for tea and biscuits

But it's not what I think that counts - God defines sin.

What you think but not necessarily the truth or fact. It’s only your opinion.

Again in your opinion but not necessarily the fact or truth

@Kdtym10

What I’m saying is, at the time John wrote Revelation it was expected Nero would come back and John said then the things listed in Revelation would happen. It is a common trope in myth that the main players will come back.

Thanks for clarifying. Who was expecting Nero to return? What makes you think John believed that?

No I’m not saying that, I’m saying followers of Jesus should be Jews. They are Gods chosen people after all.

But that equates to the same thing, surely?

All sorts of weird shit is believed in CofE congregations- fundamentalist evangelicals to someone who goes along for tea and biscuits

It is a broad church, to be sure.

As I said to Pointythings, we've gone full circle here.

It’s was a widely held belief at that time in the Roman Empire.

No chance as I don't believe in a Christian god - which seems to be the kicker! I am an agnostic.

My DH and DS are Catholics so they should be ok - maybe they could put in a good word for me?!

I’m a card carrying atheist and haven’t been convinced that adopting any religion would make my life any better- life is good as it is so why would I want to make any changes?

Does God know about death metal, and is his opinion on it somewhere in the Bible?

@pointythings yep it’s there in Barzabel 7:77

”woa to those of black and white painted faces, whose death growl shakes the core of thy bosom. Upon those who call the name of the bringer of light unto the pit which mosheth will rain down guitar picks and drum sticks for 40 days and 40 nights” Don’t know why you’re questioning it really!

Like the crystals, music is not inherently bad. I used death metal as an example because of its aggressive, antisocial and often anti-Christian lyrics and dark, morbid themes. Like choosing to get a tattoo, this is more personal preference, rather than something which may affect Salvation.