Will you make it to Heaven? Cont.

[VincitVeritas1]

Feel free to join me in a discussion about Heaven according to the Holy Bible/ Christianity in general.

Well it exists outside time and space.

And to follow the Jewish law - I think he was saying anyone can become a Jew (controversial in Judaism I know)

Well I have been to both catholic Methodist, baptist and high and low Anglican services many times, and 100% agree with @pointythings

It’s a right of passage as a teenager to scare yourself at the cinema watching Poltergeist or the Texan Chainsaw Massacre!

I don’t believe heaven or hell exist but according to some posters on this thread, we’re all sinners. Don’t agree with that view either. Can’t think of much I’ve done wrong!

I’m not quite sure you understand the point re Nero. He doesn’t need to have done those things, he is to return according to legend popular at the time John wrote. I know you keep ignoring this but what did John mean by 666/616.

Im still not seeing the issue with christ Consciousness- can you explain further. Thst article was a load of waffle.

I looked at the link- The Center for Christ Consciousness’s website defines Christ consciousness as “the highest state of intellectual development and emotional maturity.”

Following a religion does not give you any of those qualities! Some websites post total rubbish 🤣

Where do you see this in Jesus' words? He never suggested this in relation to the Roman centurion or the Syrophoenician woman.

Well it exists outside time and space.

Do you honestly believe this to be true??

I don’t - regardless of how you have lived your life, death is the same for everyone - you either become ashes or decompose in the ground.

@Kdtym10

And to follow the Jewish law - I think he was saying anyone can become a Jew (controversial in Judaism I know)

As a Christian, though, I don't discredit Paul's conversion experience or his teachings. I also am reassured by the following piece of scripture and heed the warning in it:

"7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you." (Revelation 3:7-9)

I agree, regardless of anyone's beliefs, that our earthly shells become ashes, ground fodder or even marine or bird fodder in some cultures. Mine is going back to earth to feed the insects and vegetation - I'm looking into preferably having just a natural shroud but most places will only do a cardboard box. I want it to be as eco-friendly as possible. However the 'essence' of 'me', in line with the topic of the thread, will have left my carcass behind and is going Home to be with all the saints who have gone before, with Jesus.

You obviously don't believe Heaven exists but, theoretically speaking, why do you imagine it might be overcrowded? (as you said in a previous post).

I'm not fearful and the end times study is one which you might call an extra curricular activity. It's not actively discussed at my church and I agree that personal speculation probably varies widely in the congregation.

Why doesn't that surprise me? 😉

@Thegreatestoftheseislove - why do you think your “essence “ will end up with Jesus? How will this be a benefit to you when you’re dead?

Would you like to expand? What do you put down to God hating you?

End Times will be when Russia presses the button and nothing to do with religion other than the ongoing conflict it creates around the world.

@Kdtym10

It’s really not very complicated. MATTHEW 5:17
“Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Are you interpreting this singular verse to mean Christians should be keeping the Law of Moses?

Lol. Your views are not mainstream, they’re evangelical. I have never come across any priest or vicar (and I’ve come across a lot) with your views.

Maybe you're asking the wrong people! Evangelical can be mainstream too. The C of E church I attend describes itself (if that's the right phrase) as evangelical.

I don't think you're understanding my meaning re Nero and I'm not sure how else to explain it, so I would appreciate it if we could drop the subject now.

Please see my past posts about what the biblical end times actually means.

You are using end times in the wrong context - it’s nothing to do with the Bible or any religion.

We believe the body is a vessel for the soul, which is immortal. Once the physical body dies, the soul (which is spiritual, not material) is released and returns to God.

The end times, as described in the Bible, means the end of all existence as we know it, not an event which would temporarily set humanity back.

Putin pressing the button would be the end for mankind and existence for everyone - it’s definitely wouldn’t be a temporary set back. What do you think would be left after a nuclear war?

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us." (1 John 1:8-10).