No men on women's hospital wards - Good!

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Trans women (men) don't want to be on wards with men, but they are quite happy to inflict themselves onto women's wards, no matter how uncomfortable that makes real women. Make it make sense!

And are you good with trans men on women’s wards?

Well, of course. Actual women go on the women's ward.

Yes, because they are female.

This is always the 'gotcha' but to be clear:

Yes, as they are women
Yes as putting them in with men is a huge risk, take the woman put into a male psych ward who was raped within an hour.
Yes, they are more than often quite short so very noticeable as female framed so nobody is confused once the instagram filters are no longer able to fool the eye.

“And are you good with women on women’s wards?”

Fixed it for you.

No one is anti trans, they’re anti MEN because men carry about about £1m sexual assaults on women every year. MEN, MEN, MEN. No one cares about where transmen end up. It’s totally irrelevant to the conversation.

Wouldn't putting a trans woman who "passes" and has had bottom surgery into a men's ward put them at similar risk?

I know many trans women don't pass.

It's as if some posters think that women are afraid of a masculine aesthetic rather than male violence directed at women and girls when they are at their most vulnerable.

I'm not anti men. I'm pro women.

I don't view all men as threats to me, but I am aware that the potential exists amongst the group. So in situations where I am injured or recovering from surgery I need extra protection from any potential danger.

This protects both men and women in hospital wards, staff changing rooms and other single sex areas at a time where they need that protection.

It has taken far too long to prioritise the safety of patients over a very small group of activists (including hospital staff) demanding what they should never have been given.

If it isnt safe for a trans eomen to be on a male ward, the hospital needs an alternative that doesnt comoromisuse the safety and dignity of women.

Same as any other vulnerable male.

Women are not support animals.

Wow.

Well it makes sense to them because for the last decade or more, they have been told that their wish to be a woman, the feelings they have, the medication and surgeries they have had mean they ARE a woman. So it makes 'perfect sense' to them to be on a woman's ward.
Now the law has clarified that a person's biological sex is the criteria used to decide whether one is a man or a woman, they have a great deal of adjustment to make and an acceptance to arrive at that the law sees them as male when sex matters.
While for some people this is obvious and correct, for those who have been allowed to believe differently, this is obviously an unwelcome development that they will push back against.
The pertinent part is the law has been clarified and implemented. Its unrealistic to expect this to be welcomed by those who preferred the previous interpretation.

Amongst the group of men, there are many who are at a greater risk from those who would do harm.

Older frail men, smaller men, non verbal men, disabled men.

A hospital should keep all these men safe by assessing their individual needs and putting measures in place if needed.

What really needs to happen is that those individuals, men and women who have been shown to act in violent ways (sometimes due to illness) need extra supervision to prevent them harming others. This is very difficult to achieve in an understaffed NHS.

I don’t know why it took so long for the ‘captured’ NHS to catch up!

Yup, no problems whatsoever for me, on account of the fact that they are women, and the guidelines do specify a private room may be more appropriate

Yes. They are women.

@StarChild07 Because the capture is at a high level - not usually the staff on the ground level actually caring for patients, but those who make policy and don't have to live with the consequences.

That's on them though. It's not up to women to move aside for men who are mentally ill.

In an ideal world they would get a seperate room for their comfort and the comfort of others, its unfair on women to have to share a space with a biological man. But these are often needed for infectious patients, those on palliative care and other reasons.

Other countries, where hospitals generally have rooms of 1 or 2, don't have this issue as much, but we seem to insist that rooms of 6 or 8 patients is conducive to recovery from illness or surgery. The reason given may be cost, but I suspect it may be cheaper long term to have smaller rooms as these are likely to enable shorter stays.

What would they be at risk from though? No one will be passing now anyway as all the men would know why they were there. Their body is still not a woman’s either. So I don’t think that side of the argument holds up tbh.

@5128gap You raise a good point. Harm has been done to these individuals by the care they have received - affirmative care that has not explored the possible roots of their distress, hormonal changes than cannot be undone and the less common surgical procedures that generally lead to someone who has long term physical problems especially around sexual functioning.

I can see why they are angry. I don't think letting women continue to suffer to assuage mistakes made by others is the right course of action.

No

Of being raped, as that is what the poster i was quoting was saying was the risk to trans men on male wards.

I wonder this too. When I was on a ward after having a baby I became delirious after the lack of sleep due to other people and constant noise etc it was making me ill.
When I had a private room I recovered far quicker.