No men on women's hospital wards - Good!

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Trans women (men) don't want to be on wards with men, but they are quite happy to inflict themselves onto women's wards, no matter how uncomfortable that makes real women. Make it make sense!

Men shouldn’t be staying overnight on maternity wards either

This is how a lot of transwomen give themselves away - the male aggression is still there. Women and transmen don't have this.

Thank goodness this wasn't a thing when mine were born - I would have hated that.

To be honest we really should have single rooms for all and get rid of wards completely

You absolutely win today. My new hero.

Spoiling the view!! Good grief. I would always shut the curtains.

Ah the trans agenda again. While everyone can do as they wish with their own life, “identify as” a man/ women/ cat/ whatever - I’m not sure why the rest of society has to conform to this nonsense.

Biological men and women should be on their respective wards in hospital/ toilets / changing rooms etc.

A cohort of actual women should not be forced to share a hospital ward with a man who for whatever reason apparently “thinks” he is a woman. Newsflash - you’re not.

Look at any trans rights demo images and you will see this is not true.

Oh we've seen them. It's not the transmen, while they are there, mostly waving the placards with threats of violence. Can't think why.

It's also not the transmen talking selfies in the male toilets.

Well yes, quite, trans people do have an equal right to privacy and dignity but there’s no reason why the NHS (or anywhere) should prioritise them over other vulnerable groups, if that’s what your suggesting.

Hi, OP. We've moved your thread to our News topic now as it wasn't really an AIBU.

If a man rapes a man, you will come for women? Have you heard of the word misogyny?

Should the women who HAVE been raped by males on womens wards, come for you, or for trans people?

The reality is TW will get a side room if available in the NHS. They will get privacy and dignity. Theres no further thinking necessary.

What they want is to be put on a bay with women, this is not about their safety its about affirming mens delusions at the expense of women's privacy and dignity.

I disagree that the vast majority of TIMs are "ordinary people". Everyone is an "ordinary person", but TIM have high rates of autogynophillia, and I would argue if incapable of understanding why women feel uncomfortable with them around, high levels of misogyny. Decent men dont push access to vunerable women and dont ignore women's dignity/safety.

Whether Trans people deserve dignity is irrelevant to the discussion and is just empathy politics. Men dont belong in womens hospital bays/prisons/rape shelter/changing rooms

@KimMumsnet There are many many threads in AIBU which are there for traffic.

I am wondering why out of all of them, you have chosen to move this one to somewhere it cannot be seen or commented on?

I thought exactly the same

In an ideal world everyone would have a separate room, so, yet again, it comes down to this one group taking from others.

Sorry, but women are angry too, and harm has been done to us by at best limiting what we are and aren't allowed to say and do and labelling us. I am in awe of the women who fought to get us to this stage, and I don't see why I should have to think about harm caused by people who made choices that we weren't allowed to make because 'kind' had been weaponised.

It really killed the conversation didn't it? Shame.

@KimMumsnet this conversation was flowing freely before it was moved and now it’s ground to a halt. Lots of posts go in AIBU without having an AIBU or for traffic purposes. Can this post be moved back?

Side rooms are important clinical resources; for those who are infectious, for those with low or no immunity, for those who are dying. They must be kept available for these situations not offered to men who demand everyone pretend they are a woman!

@KimMumsnet this is as much AIBU as an are - why do you just consider this post out of all of them to be ‘News’ when it is about the NHS taking 18 months to issue guidance that nearly follows the law? And 10% of voters think they ABU for doing so?

I thought mumsnet had stopped the censorship about this issue - clearly not, just preferring to 'hide' conversations - likely at the behest of certain posters.

I can find multiple threads on AIBU started today that do not fit there - requests for support, advice etc. Why have they not been moved to more relevant boards?

@KimMumsnet Please move this back

@KimMumsnet @AIiswatchingyou I did think this a little ‘odd’ too!

I just read a comment on a Facebook thread about this, from a trans man. They said they’d be fine with being on a female ward as they feel safer around women (they know the risks of men having lived as a woman before) and ultimately their health concerns are still related to female biology. Having a cervix/cancer etc and the main worry at the end of the day is men.

And funnily enough seen a second comment saying basically the same thing. They’d prefer a side room but they recognise their body is a woman’s and they just want the right health care.

So maybe it’s the men who are more annoyed about this.