Harvey Weinstein, continued (thread #2)

[CaveMum]

Continuation of the Harvey Weinstein discussion.

Link to first thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3052708-Harvey-Weinstein?pg=1

Thanks to GorgeousLadyOfWrangling here is the current list of allegations:

Updated allegations (as of 17-10-17) Alleged harassment/assault often took place in hotel suites or offices or private residences/rooms. Some at Cannes, Sundance, Venice, Toronto film festivals. Complainants included actresses, assistants, interns, models, presenters, a producer.

'Bargaining' was a ploy in many cases as was presenting himself in a bathrobe or naked or in the bath and often took place in hotel suite meetings where women were sent up to the room from the original venue or accompanied by assistants who were then told to leave.

1. Amber Anderson - was offered opportunities in return for sex - 20
2. Lysette Anthony - rape - London her home
3. Asia Argento - demanded massage, forced cunnilingus - 21
4. Rosanna Arquette - attempted forced masturbation

5.Jessica Barth - propositioned naked massage in return for opportunities

1. Kate Beckinsale -interviewed her in his bathrobe - 17
2. Zoe Brock - exposed himself/demanded massage/chased -23
3. Liza Campbell - naked in bath during meeting
4. Emma de Caunes - exposed himself/told her to lie on bed

10. Cara Delevingne - asked her to kiss another girl, kissed her 11.Florence Darel - propositioned her, roles for sex - 26 12. Sophie Dix - demanded massage, exposed himself, tried to pin her down, masturbated in front of her - 22 13. Dawn Dunning - offered jobs in return for threesome - 24 14. Alice Evans - told her now husband's career would stall/HW wanted to touch her breasts (Evans and Ioan Gruffud were never offered another picture with Weinstein studio) 15. Lucia Evans - forced fellatio 16. Angie Everhart - awoke to find him masturbating - yacht 17. Claire Forlani - massage suggested, she rebuffed him 25 18. Romola Garai - interviewed her in his bathrobe - 18 19. Louisette Geiss - appeared in bathrobe, asked her to watch him masturbate - 20. Louise Godbold - demanded massage 21. Judith Godreche - demanded massage, pulled at her - 24 22. Trish Goff - groped - private dining room 25 23. Heather Graham - he inferred sex for roles 24. Eva Green - groped, had to push him off, threatened her career 25. Ambra Guttierez - groped breasts 26: Lauren Holly - exposed himself, demanded massage 27. Angelina Jolie - unwanted advances 28. Ashley Judd - demanded massage, asked her to watch him masturbate 29. Katherine Kendall - demanded massage, exposed himself, chased - 23 30. Minka Kelly - offered her a $ lifestyle if she would be his girlfriend 31. Mia Kirshner - unwanted advances/inducements 32. Mylene Klass - offered a sex contract 33. Laura Madden - demanded massages 34. Sarah Ann Masse - interviewed her for nanny job in his underwear - 35. Rose McGowan - (NDA) rape - 23 36. Emily Nestor - offered her mentorship in return for sex 37. Lauren O'Connor - harrassment (NDA) 38. Gwyneth Paltrow - demanded massage - 22 39. Zelda Perkins - potential harassment but settlement 25 40. Sarah Polley - insinuated to her contracts for relationship 41. Tomi-Ann Roberts - naked in bath - 20 42. Erika Rosenbaum - he masturbated stood behind her 43. Melissa Sagemiller - demanded massage, blacklisted her - 24 44. Lea Seydoux - lunged at her 45. Lauren Sivan - masturbated in front of her in restaurant 46. 'Sarah Smith' (pseudonym) - sexual assault 47. Mira Sorvino - unwanted massage/chased 48. Tara Subkoff - pulled her onto his lap/blacklisted 49. Paula Wachowiak - exposed himself, demanded massage - 25

Plus five more anonymous = 54 women
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That list doesn't include:
Jessica Hynes (didn't get a role when refused to do a screen test in a bikini)
Courtney Love (potentially blacklisted)
Felicity Huffman (forced to wear his wife's gowns or no promotion)
Or women he has slandered by namedropping them (Charlize Theron, Nicole Kidman) Or ''Harvey's Girls'' blinds.

Me three. QT makes my flesh creep,

Me too. I also think HW is creepy.
Personally I find both QT and HW physically repulsive and personality repulsive- and I thought that before all of this broke.

I don't think it's that uncommon to be honest as a dynamic - that men who are physically unattractive throughout their lives (particularly during the formative years at school) harbour a deep rooted resentment towards women who they perceive as constantly rejecting them - that when they attain massive wealth and power use it to "get the girls" that they couldn't get in high school by any means possible including pressure and sexual harassment.

To be clear, I am NOT saying that all unattractive men become sexual harassers whether they attain power or not NOR am I saying good looking men are never sexual harassers.

Only that there is or maybe a higher incidence or inclination towards that behaviour when you combine physical (and also personality) repulsiveness during youth and most of adult life + a lack of success with women + attainment of great wealth and power particularly in a setting where that can be used to wield power over women who would never have given that man a second look otherwise.

I don't get Uma's anger as a reason not to say anything.

If she has suffered abuse, she's had some time to think of a statement and get it checked by someone else for anything she may regret.
It would be better to say that that was not the time to talk about it and she will address it in her own time and appropriate circumstances.

Or it it recent anger at the cover up? I hope it's not in relation to the victims.

That's my assessment of the motives behind some male sexual harrassers too king. Unattractive, non-alpha, yet highly creative and/or intelligent male, is overlooked by desirable females who add prestige and esteem if 'acquired' and is rejected in favour of more attractive, socially alpha men. Eventually, unattractive males talents are recognised and nurtured. Previously non-alpha male suddenly becomes indowed with prestige and takes on alpha status. Ego becomes massively inflated.
Uses newly acquired status and power to direct deep resentment of earlier sexual rejection to all women who cross their path. Women whose refusal to engage in sex/rejection still has the power to make him feel inferior again, despite said gain of power. He hates that more than anything, resorting to anger, violence and coercion to to get what he wants.

I know its not the case for all such men, but very probably the underlying mechanism going on in Weinstein, QT et al. Shown by the fact that actresses often recall HW boosting about the amount of actresses he had bedded, giving names. I mean purely from an impartial point of view, WHO thinks you are going to encourage a woman to sleep with you by mentioning all your previous 'conquests' Clearly this was an attempt to boost status.

www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/paz-de-la-huerta-harvey-weinstein-allegations
With her being in statute, it would be good if NYPD can make a case. Therapist statement which talks of coercive as opposed to rape may go against her though (I am aware they are the same thing but it reads badly).
I have just finished watching second season of One Mississipi. I thought, wow, that's prophetic/prescient (it was released Sept) and then I found out it was probably based on a certain executive producer of the show. The one called out by Roseanne Barr, the one on a comediennes' spreadsheet of male comic pervs to avoid, the one who is audacious enough to address allegations about him in his latest film. Step forward one Louis CK.

www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/jeremy-piven-accused-of-predatory-behaviour-by-second-actress-a3676091.html

88. Julianna Margulies

(88 excludes the anonymous complainants except for 'Sarah Smith')

She mentions a gun as well with SS, which must have been particularly terrifying. This article below has some more info on his previous alleged assaults:

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-watch/wp/2017/10/13/steven-seagal-drug-warrior-honorary-cop-alleged-serial-sex-abuser/

Absolutely horrific

Maureen o Hara spoke up over 70 years ago.

www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2017/45/rachael-sigee-on-maureen-o-hara-and-sexist-behaviour-in-hollywood

@CaveMum

The New Yorker have written another expose on Weinstein.

For anyone who has ever, in the most remote recesses of their brain, speculated on why women do not report, you should read this.

The gargantuan lengths to which this man has gone to to cover up his abuse are extraordinary. This man was determined to abuse and, equally determined that he would get away with it.

Weinstein replied, “This is the killer. Especially if my fingerprints r not on this.” Howard then reassured Weinstein, “They are not. And the conversation . . . is RECORDED.”

www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-army-of-spies

I just read that article on Twitter, he hired ex Mossad agents to find dirt on both victims and reporters! Chilling...

That is horrific reading.

Two private investigators from Black Cube, using false identities, met with the actress Rose McGowan, who eventually publicly accused Weinstein of rape, to extract information from her. One of the investigators pretended to be a women’s-rights advocate and secretly recorded at least four meetings with McGowan.

As PP said, utterly chilling.

If any cases go to trial I wonder if this can be used as evidence against him, hope this bloody backfires against him!

Not sure, it isn't a crime to hire a private investigator but suppressing potential witnesses in a potential lawsuit sounds like something the mafia would do. The rest (digging up photos, finding witnesses to discredit plaintiff's character/counteract character witnesses) sounds like standard legal groundwork as the attorney says, what any decent lawyer would do. Fascinating article.

I guess I was meaning evidence as to his intent, if he is saying that what he did was consensual?

ooh, very good point

Alwaysinmyheart

I guess I was meaning evidence as to his intent, if he is saying that what he did was consensual?

Exactly. He has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to shut people up.

I've just finished the New Yorker article too.

There are so many points in it which (I hope) sink him once & for all.

The actress who was part of the police sting being compelled to submit her devices to be wiped (of evidence) as part of her NDA - luckily we know the police recorded it via wire & know he admitted it in that exchange.

The ex employee duped into making calls that witnesses/victims felt were intimidating/threatening. His desperate attempts to dig up photos & dirt & get people to trash his accusers. The pressure Mcgowans ex boyfriend's ex wife was put in, to trash McGowan & having that recorded when she asked for it not to be.

I'm glad those who enabled him to work on threatening & discrediting & abusing victims & any witnesses are being called out too. His house of cards should be pulled apart & everyone complicit should be tainted by their actions to help him continue to abuse & assault & harass women.

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1Z95WVLLbh6M1U_Ch4vbfKuJtUmznu-ZgM9yHFBJl68I/htmlview

The list that victims compiled with anonymous included hits 103

www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/07/harvey-weinstein-sexual-abuse-accusers-list
sorry 102

actually, make that 104 as they do not have Sophie Morris or Julianna Margulies on those lists.
( also Alice Evans is listed on one but not named on the other)
In cross checking, my previous list should exclude Alexi Melvin (that was an accusation levied against Bob not Harvey) and Juls Bindi not Hindi (autocorrect sucks).
pending sources of the anonymous allegations, it is hard to believe that the list of complainants has now reached triple figures without there being a warrant for his arrest yet.

www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/05/wmes-adam-venit-on-leave-after-terry-crews-sexual-harassment-allegations.html

Adam Venit named as Terry Crews' harasser

Another actor, Ed Westwick has been accused of rape, he's saying he doesn't know her. Warning, her account is distressing to read.

www.vulture.com/2017/11/gossip-girls-ed-westwick-accused-of-raping-kristina-cohen.html

The DM have named Charlie Sheen as the person who raped corey haim. This had already been widely speculated for years but seems to be confirmed now. I haven't seen anything on MN or anywhere else really about it though?

Pawpainting

I was reading about it elsewhere, last week. There’s quite a bit on the net where he is named.

Charlie Sheen is mentioned on the thread about Corey Feldman (who's finally gone to the police).

CS was allegedly looking at child porn when he was with Denise Richards, according to her divorce papers:

twitter.com/MarkDice/status/928312394467569664/photo/1