Harvey Weinstein, continued (thread #2)

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Continuation of the Harvey Weinstein discussion.

Link to first thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3052708-Harvey-Weinstein?pg=1

Thanks to GorgeousLadyOfWrangling here is the current list of allegations:

Updated allegations (as of 17-10-17) Alleged harassment/assault often took place in hotel suites or offices or private residences/rooms. Some at Cannes, Sundance, Venice, Toronto film festivals. Complainants included actresses, assistants, interns, models, presenters, a producer.

'Bargaining' was a ploy in many cases as was presenting himself in a bathrobe or naked or in the bath and often took place in hotel suite meetings where women were sent up to the room from the original venue or accompanied by assistants who were then told to leave.

1. Amber Anderson - was offered opportunities in return for sex - 20
2. Lysette Anthony - rape - London her home
3. Asia Argento - demanded massage, forced cunnilingus - 21
4. Rosanna Arquette - attempted forced masturbation

5.Jessica Barth - propositioned naked massage in return for opportunities

1. Kate Beckinsale -interviewed her in his bathrobe - 17
2. Zoe Brock - exposed himself/demanded massage/chased -23
3. Liza Campbell - naked in bath during meeting
4. Emma de Caunes - exposed himself/told her to lie on bed

10. Cara Delevingne - asked her to kiss another girl, kissed her 11.Florence Darel - propositioned her, roles for sex - 26 12. Sophie Dix - demanded massage, exposed himself, tried to pin her down, masturbated in front of her - 22 13. Dawn Dunning - offered jobs in return for threesome - 24 14. Alice Evans - told her now husband's career would stall/HW wanted to touch her breasts (Evans and Ioan Gruffud were never offered another picture with Weinstein studio) 15. Lucia Evans - forced fellatio 16. Angie Everhart - awoke to find him masturbating - yacht 17. Claire Forlani - massage suggested, she rebuffed him 25 18. Romola Garai - interviewed her in his bathrobe - 18 19. Louisette Geiss - appeared in bathrobe, asked her to watch him masturbate - 20. Louise Godbold - demanded massage 21. Judith Godreche - demanded massage, pulled at her - 24 22. Trish Goff - groped - private dining room 25 23. Heather Graham - he inferred sex for roles 24. Eva Green - groped, had to push him off, threatened her career 25. Ambra Guttierez - groped breasts 26: Lauren Holly - exposed himself, demanded massage 27. Angelina Jolie - unwanted advances 28. Ashley Judd - demanded massage, asked her to watch him masturbate 29. Katherine Kendall - demanded massage, exposed himself, chased - 23 30. Minka Kelly - offered her a $ lifestyle if she would be his girlfriend 31. Mia Kirshner - unwanted advances/inducements 32. Mylene Klass - offered a sex contract 33. Laura Madden - demanded massages 34. Sarah Ann Masse - interviewed her for nanny job in his underwear - 35. Rose McGowan - (NDA) rape - 23 36. Emily Nestor - offered her mentorship in return for sex 37. Lauren O'Connor - harrassment (NDA) 38. Gwyneth Paltrow - demanded massage - 22 39. Zelda Perkins - potential harassment but settlement 25 40. Sarah Polley - insinuated to her contracts for relationship 41. Tomi-Ann Roberts - naked in bath - 20 42. Erika Rosenbaum - he masturbated stood behind her 43. Melissa Sagemiller - demanded massage, blacklisted her - 24 44. Lea Seydoux - lunged at her 45. Lauren Sivan - masturbated in front of her in restaurant 46. 'Sarah Smith' (pseudonym) - sexual assault 47. Mira Sorvino - unwanted massage/chased 48. Tara Subkoff - pulled her onto his lap/blacklisted 49. Paula Wachowiak - exposed himself, demanded massage - 25

Plus five more anonymous = 54 women
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That list doesn't include:
Jessica Hynes (didn't get a role when refused to do a screen test in a bikini)
Courtney Love (potentially blacklisted)
Felicity Huffman (forced to wear his wife's gowns or no promotion)
Or women he has slandered by namedropping them (Charlize Theron, Nicole Kidman) Or ''Harvey's Girls'' blinds.

While Netflix and producers Media Rights Capital were leaning towards ending the show a while ago, key cast and creatives were only alerted this morning in a series of calls.

“Media Rights Capital and Netflix are deeply troubled by last night’s news concerning Kevin Spacey,” the companies said in a joint statement today. “In response to last night’s revelations, executives from both of our companies arrived in Baltimore this afternoon to meet with our cast and crew to ensure that they continue to feel safe and supported. As previously scheduled, Kevin Spacey is not working on set at this time.”

It was reported originally that KS allegations had swung it so a little disingenuous if it was never going to be recommissioned for a 7th season. But to shut down production now during filming is surprising, almost unprecedented.

twitter.com/AsiaArgento/status/925147181060894721/photo/1

Asia tweeted a list of complainants - 93

82. Sophie Morris updated from Asia Argento's list...
83. Ivanna Lowel
84. Vana Barba
85. Caitanya Tan
86. Julianna de Paula
87. Giovanna Rei

plus 8 >anonymous from that tweet 95

List of women who have come forward so far include:

1. Amber Anderson
2. Lysette Anthony
3. Asia Argento
4. Rosanna Arquette

5.Vana Barba

1. Jessica Barth
2. Kate Beckinsale
3. Zoe Brock
4. Cynthia Burr

10. Liza Campbell 11.Emma de Caunes 12. Marisa Coughlan 13. Cara Delevingne 14. Florence Darel 15. Sophie Dix 16. Lacey Dorn 17. Dawn Dunning 18. Lina Esco 19. Alice Evans 20. Lucia Evans 21. Angie Everhart 22. Hope Exiner D'amour 23. Claire Forlani 24. Romola Garai 25. Louisette Geiss 26. Louise Godbold 27. Judith Godreche 28. Trish Goff 29.Larissa Gomes 30. Heather Graham 31. Eva Green 32. Ambra Guttierez 33. Mimi Haleyi 34. Daryl Hannah 35. Lena Headey 36. Juls Hindi 37. Lauren Holly 38. Dominique Huett 39.Jessica Hynes 40. Angelina Jolie 41. Ashley Judd 42. Elizabeth Karlsen 43. Katherine Kendall 44. Minka Kelly 45. Heather Kerr 46. Mia Kirshner 47. Mylene Klass 48. Ivana Lowel 49. Laura Madden 50. Natassia Malthe 51. Brit Marling 52. Sarah Ann Masse 53. Ashley Matthau 54. Rose McGowan 55. Alexi Melvin 56. Natalie Mendoza 57. Sophie Morris 58. Katya Mtsitouridze 59. Emily Nestor 60. Jennifer Siebel Newsome 61. Connie Nielsen 62. Lupita N'yongo 63. Lauren O'Connor 64. Gwyneth Paltrow 65. Samantha Panagrosso 66. Julianna de Paula 67. Zelda Perkins 68. Vu Tu Phuong 69. Sarah Polley 70. Giovanna Rei 71. Tomi-Ann Roberts 72. Lisa Rose 73. Erika Rosenbaum 74. Melissa Sagemiller 75. Annabella Sciorra 76. Lea Seydoux 77. Morgan Shanahan 78. Lauren Sivan 79. Chelsea Skidmore 80. 'Sarah Smith' (pseudonym) 81. Mira Sorvino 82. Tara Subkoff 83. Caitanya Tan 84. Paula Wachowiak 85. Paula Williams 86. Sean Young

This excludes anonymous complainants (8 in Asia's tweet, I had read 5, Wiki has 2) = up to 94 (amended from previous post as I had named Julianna de Paula twice)
Updated 1.11.17

In fact, with Asia and other victims having compiled a comprehensive list and now that wikipedia has an entry being updated (albeit with ten names missing from it currently) it might not be necessary to update again. Suffice to say, with 86 +/anonymous complaints, I do hope that the women see justice.

My greatest fear is that Weinstein will not see justice. This would send a very very bad message if this is the case. Too many women of high profile status have been involved for him to evade justice and it not send a damning message to all women and men around the world who have suffered sexual assault, that it really isn't worth speaking up. He simply must face justice and there ought to be an inquiry into sexual harassment in the film industry, if not all major corporations. I know there is talk of suing the Weinstein Company, but money should not be considered equivalent justice.

I am really concerned no formal charges will be brought, and that even if there are, it may be become another Bill C situation, and just reinforce the message that if you are a man who is rich and powerful enough you can do whatever the fuck you want to who you want and get away with it.

A lot of people have made statements to the press, but I fear a majority would not be willing to make formal charges/back it up in court and that includes the high profile celebs.

I still have hope for the second Cosby trial to come back with the right verdict. Possibly I am naive.
I think HW is now forever known as a sex offender. He no longer has clout, power, status and his children know what he is. There will be payments, a hefty divorce, custody/access issues. Have you seen the end of Dangerous Liaisons? Essentially HW has been stripped of his lifestyle and his reputation will now precede him everywhere he goes as a monster.
It's not justice - that would be time served - but his life as he knew it is over. James Toback is also being investigated by police.
310 women claiming harassment. I hate all that pick-up, negging, Neil Strauss bullshit - sex pests the lot of them. The aim of hassling women until you find one to masturbate over with or without their consent is depressing as fuck.

Bloody hell, now Dustin Hoffman?

www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/01/dustin-hoffman-accused-of-sexual-harassment-against-17-year-old

'might have' 'could have' 'not reflective of who I am'
He was 48 ffs. She was 17. It's the equivalent of me grabbing the ass of one of my daughter's male friends. Wouldn't happen because I am not a dirty old woman.
Jeremy Piven going for a complete denial. His is a name that comes up a lot.
www.nme.com/news/tv/entourage-actor-jeremy-piven-accused-sexual-assault-2155402

I hope she kept a record of those ‘abusive explicit’ texts.

Heads are rolling in Westminster just seen this on Twitter:

BREAKING- Michael Fallon has resigned as Defence Secretary, admitting his behaviour in the past may have ‘fallen short’

Ha at Michael Fallon.....the same Michael Fallon who earlier today said he was instructing a libel solicitor! Guess he will be cancelling the brief now!

I do wonder if this is the turning point. A little step up for women everywhere.

Suddenly sexual harassment has gone from being normalised and that’s just how things are, to being deeply ‘uncool’.

Which is more of a heinous crime than just about anything else.

Harvey Wankstain.

Glad it's all coming out.

Westminster, Kevin Spacey too. Et al.

Bunch of fuckwanks!

Yep. Me too.

It is horrifying how many people have been affected but amazing how many are coming forward. The true number must be so much higher than we'll ever know. It would be amazing if this envokes some kind of wake up call that this kind of behaviour is never acceptable.

#Ibelieve #metoo

This is an interesting commentary on minimisation:

www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2017/nov/01/westminster-sexual-assault-allegations-already-being-minimised?

i think Suzanne Moore has it spot on.

Kevin Spacey "seeking treatment" : www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41843955

All these people stepping down or seeking treatment before any investigation. Some are being asked to leave.

It certainly suggests to me that their behaviour is an open secret.

All this "seeking treatment" is an utter joke, a PR fig leaf so thin it's transparent. Do these people think the public can't see that?

Emma Thompson was bang on the money when she said about Harvey Weinstein (in relation to his intended "treatment):

“I don’t think you can describe him as a sex addict, he’s a predator. That’s different. He’s at the top of, as it were the ladder of, a system of harassment and belittlement and bullying and interference. This has been part of our world, women’s world, since time immemorial."

www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/12/emma-thompson-harvey-weinstein-no-sex-addict-predator

Re. Michael Fallon: there has to be more to it than the one incident in 2002.

As the BBC have been reporting, this sets the bar very high for politicians and don't be surprised if there are more resignations in the coming days/weeks.

Are they under the impression that if they resign, they won’t be investigated?

Because that would be a double blow to all the women they targeted.

But he's still an MP, he's only resigned his Cabinet post. I'd hope that any "in house" investigation at Westminster would look at claims against all sitting MPs.

87. Paz de la Huerta

www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41857189

www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/nov/03/kevin-spacey-accused-sexual-assault-harassment-house-cards-workers-netflix-cnn