Harvey Weinstein, continued (thread #2)

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Continuation of the Harvey Weinstein discussion.

Link to first thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3052708-Harvey-Weinstein?pg=1

Thanks to GorgeousLadyOfWrangling here is the current list of allegations:

Updated allegations (as of 17-10-17) Alleged harassment/assault often took place in hotel suites or offices or private residences/rooms. Some at Cannes, Sundance, Venice, Toronto film festivals. Complainants included actresses, assistants, interns, models, presenters, a producer.

'Bargaining' was a ploy in many cases as was presenting himself in a bathrobe or naked or in the bath and often took place in hotel suite meetings where women were sent up to the room from the original venue or accompanied by assistants who were then told to leave.

1. Amber Anderson - was offered opportunities in return for sex - 20
2. Lysette Anthony - rape - London her home
3. Asia Argento - demanded massage, forced cunnilingus - 21
4. Rosanna Arquette - attempted forced masturbation

5.Jessica Barth - propositioned naked massage in return for opportunities

1. Kate Beckinsale -interviewed her in his bathrobe - 17
2. Zoe Brock - exposed himself/demanded massage/chased -23
3. Liza Campbell - naked in bath during meeting
4. Emma de Caunes - exposed himself/told her to lie on bed

10. Cara Delevingne - asked her to kiss another girl, kissed her 11.Florence Darel - propositioned her, roles for sex - 26 12. Sophie Dix - demanded massage, exposed himself, tried to pin her down, masturbated in front of her - 22 13. Dawn Dunning - offered jobs in return for threesome - 24 14. Alice Evans - told her now husband's career would stall/HW wanted to touch her breasts (Evans and Ioan Gruffud were never offered another picture with Weinstein studio) 15. Lucia Evans - forced fellatio 16. Angie Everhart - awoke to find him masturbating - yacht 17. Claire Forlani - massage suggested, she rebuffed him 25 18. Romola Garai - interviewed her in his bathrobe - 18 19. Louisette Geiss - appeared in bathrobe, asked her to watch him masturbate - 20. Louise Godbold - demanded massage 21. Judith Godreche - demanded massage, pulled at her - 24 22. Trish Goff - groped - private dining room 25 23. Heather Graham - he inferred sex for roles 24. Eva Green - groped, had to push him off, threatened her career 25. Ambra Guttierez - groped breasts 26: Lauren Holly - exposed himself, demanded massage 27. Angelina Jolie - unwanted advances 28. Ashley Judd - demanded massage, asked her to watch him masturbate 29. Katherine Kendall - demanded massage, exposed himself, chased - 23 30. Minka Kelly - offered her a $ lifestyle if she would be his girlfriend 31. Mia Kirshner - unwanted advances/inducements 32. Mylene Klass - offered a sex contract 33. Laura Madden - demanded massages 34. Sarah Ann Masse - interviewed her for nanny job in his underwear - 35. Rose McGowan - (NDA) rape - 23 36. Emily Nestor - offered her mentorship in return for sex 37. Lauren O'Connor - harrassment (NDA) 38. Gwyneth Paltrow - demanded massage - 22 39. Zelda Perkins - potential harassment but settlement 25 40. Sarah Polley - insinuated to her contracts for relationship 41. Tomi-Ann Roberts - naked in bath - 20 42. Erika Rosenbaum - he masturbated stood behind her 43. Melissa Sagemiller - demanded massage, blacklisted her - 24 44. Lea Seydoux - lunged at her 45. Lauren Sivan - masturbated in front of her in restaurant 46. 'Sarah Smith' (pseudonym) - sexual assault 47. Mira Sorvino - unwanted massage/chased 48. Tara Subkoff - pulled her onto his lap/blacklisted 49. Paula Wachowiak - exposed himself, demanded massage - 25

Plus five more anonymous = 54 women
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That list doesn't include:
Jessica Hynes (didn't get a role when refused to do a screen test in a bikini)
Courtney Love (potentially blacklisted)
Felicity Huffman (forced to wear his wife's gowns or no promotion)
Or women he has slandered by namedropping them (Charlize Theron, Nicole Kidman) Or ''Harvey's Girls'' blinds.

One thing that is bothering me is the enablers.

I read a long article about HW in the New Yorker, and one victim says that she was contacted by a female aide to attend a casting session... which turned out to be for one. And another who says she was invited to a party where the only guest was HW in his hotel room. Again this was set up by a third party.

So much of his entourage/employees must have known about his activities... but to actually set them up ? Maybe turning a blind eye because you don't want to lose your job, but asking someone to attend a casting session which you know to be a "trap" - that is so not decent behaviour that the individual concerned should be blamed too.

I agree about the enablers, how did they think that it was ok to do this?

This is a brilliant article about the media coverage of late and how much of it has belittled and trivialised the issue. News night the other day was bloody appalling!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/03/sexual-assault-victims-newsnight-media-blaming-victims

Lauren O'Connor did try. As you probably already know, she was the one who wrote what was happening in a memo two years ago. They paid her off iirc but I am not sure whether her going to the press at that time would have brought him down. He had the press in his pocket.
They always say to report to someone senior and that is what she did.
Without that memo not sure they would have gone to press eventually and sadly I still think it only happened because his brother leaked it:

But yes, Lauren O’Connor was a former employee of the Weinstein Company who ''was involved in casting discussions with many actresses shortly after they were invited to “private appointments” with Weinstein in his hotel room''
O’Connor expressed fear that Weinstein was using her and other female employees to “facilitate liaisons with ‘vulnerable women who hope he will get them work.’” That same year, Weinstein allegedly reached a settlement with O’Connor.

O'Connor felt she was an enabler, that much is clear, an unwilling accomplice and had the conscience to bring it up to execs who sat on the information (having already been aware but doing nothing, which is why lawyers are going after the company now for out of statute complainants). Some other assistants also had NDAs and were sexually harassed at work.

But it was not just women* who were used as enablers/asked to leave once victim was in the room. (Nor do I believe all ''assistants'' actually worked for him, there were at least two cases involving asking victims for threesomes whereby the second female I think was posing as an assistant).

*Fabrizio Lombardo's name came up as an enabler/fixer
*Rick Schwartz is the other assistant named in Zoe Brock's allegation

Lombardo denied it he would, wouldn't he?
Schwartz has not commented to my knowledge (he was named after an assistant was incorrectly named, which never helps, and he has good lawywers)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Schwartz

Plus, this isn't the movies, it's not the film The Accused, you aren't going to get the ones ''who made it happen''. All you can do is go after the Weinstein Company who must have known who they were paying off and why. On top of that, whilst I totally see your point, the rape ultimately lies with the rapist.

That doesn't mean I understand how Schwartz is able to sleep at night if Brock's allegations are true.

What about the Hedge Fund manager in the news today who beat a girl so hard her implant flipped. Abusive animals in all walks of life. Shame someone doesn’t beat that animal

Corey Feldman has named Jon Grissom as one of those who abused him in the 1980s

www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/corey-feldman-dr-oz-interview-jon-grissom/amp

He has also named a former child talent agent called Marty Weiss as an abuser.

Both men have since been convicted of child abuse offences.

It's good that he has started to name people. The film would just take too long.

Did you see the Green Party have complained re the newsnight coverage? www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2017/11/02/green-party-complains-to-newsnight-over-sexual-harassment-coverage/

Oh I'm glad about that letter, the Newsnight program was one of the worst things I've ever seen on TV, I couldn't quite believe what I was watching, it was like something out of the 1970s!

I don't know how to copy links but the BBC has beven accused of not investigating allegations of sexual harrassessment against Chris Evans

Hopefully this works

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/03/bbc-accused-ignoring-chris-evans-sexual-harassment-claims/amp/

Did someone mention he was friends with HW?

I’ve heard that about Evans before. How he would sit completely naked in his office. He has this reputation as something of a mavrick, but being naked in a work environment and expecting colleagues and subordinates to accept it, absolutely constitutes sexual harassment.

I remember when Moira Stuart first joined his radio programme. She had a very good reputation, but had been out of the limelight for a while.

It’s difficult to explain, but I got a very strong feeling from the initial ‘by play’ between them in the early days, which was driven by him. He came across very alpha male and controlling. Whilst at the same time having an attitude that he needed to tread carefully, but only on his terms.

Frankly I find him incredibly controlling when he talks to other people on his programme. There is absolutely nothing humble or self-deprecating about him. It wouldn’t surprise me if he turned out to be a massive bully.

He pays lip service to the heavyweights in the industry, but you get the impression that it’s all very superficial because, to him, he is the biggest heavyweight there is.

This is doing the rounds on Twitter today, it's Uma Thurman's response when asked about sexual harassment in Hollywood, her restrained anger is palpable!

www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/uma-thurmans-powerful-response-about-the-harvey-weinstein-scandal-is-excellent-147975

That clip makes me want to put an arm around Uma in a show of solidarity and support (with her permission, of course).

Wow! Go Uma.

I can’t wait to see what she does say when she has her ducks in a row.

Words are cheap

I’m not sure I follow, Derxa. Do you think Uma is putting it on? Do you doubt her sincerity?

Thurman's statement will be interesting as she has close ties with Tarantino....

She was hijacked at an award. I’m certainly giving her the benefit of the doubt.

I have little doubt that she will make a statement.

I was thinking that Screepy.

Me three. QT makes my flesh creep, so I’ve always found his close relationship with UT and ithers mystifying.

Wasn't Tarantino her boyfriend at some point?

It'll be interesting to hear what she has to say. Sometimes the penny drops about certain things much later in life.

This is a great ( IMO) angry article challenging the view about 'witchhunts ' of men accused of sexual harassment and no actually, it's not gone far enough, it's only just begun...!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/05/heard-too-much-about-sexual-harassment