Harvey Weinstein, continued (thread #2)

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Continuation of the Harvey Weinstein discussion.

Link to first thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3052708-Harvey-Weinstein?pg=1

Thanks to GorgeousLadyOfWrangling here is the current list of allegations:

Updated allegations (as of 17-10-17) Alleged harassment/assault often took place in hotel suites or offices or private residences/rooms. Some at Cannes, Sundance, Venice, Toronto film festivals. Complainants included actresses, assistants, interns, models, presenters, a producer.

'Bargaining' was a ploy in many cases as was presenting himself in a bathrobe or naked or in the bath and often took place in hotel suite meetings where women were sent up to the room from the original venue or accompanied by assistants who were then told to leave.

1. Amber Anderson - was offered opportunities in return for sex - 20
2. Lysette Anthony - rape - London her home
3. Asia Argento - demanded massage, forced cunnilingus - 21
4. Rosanna Arquette - attempted forced masturbation

5.Jessica Barth - propositioned naked massage in return for opportunities

1. Kate Beckinsale -interviewed her in his bathrobe - 17
2. Zoe Brock - exposed himself/demanded massage/chased -23
3. Liza Campbell - naked in bath during meeting
4. Emma de Caunes - exposed himself/told her to lie on bed

10. Cara Delevingne - asked her to kiss another girl, kissed her 11.Florence Darel - propositioned her, roles for sex - 26 12. Sophie Dix - demanded massage, exposed himself, tried to pin her down, masturbated in front of her - 22 13. Dawn Dunning - offered jobs in return for threesome - 24 14. Alice Evans - told her now husband's career would stall/HW wanted to touch her breasts (Evans and Ioan Gruffud were never offered another picture with Weinstein studio) 15. Lucia Evans - forced fellatio 16. Angie Everhart - awoke to find him masturbating - yacht 17. Claire Forlani - massage suggested, she rebuffed him 25 18. Romola Garai - interviewed her in his bathrobe - 18 19. Louisette Geiss - appeared in bathrobe, asked her to watch him masturbate - 20. Louise Godbold - demanded massage 21. Judith Godreche - demanded massage, pulled at her - 24 22. Trish Goff - groped - private dining room 25 23. Heather Graham - he inferred sex for roles 24. Eva Green - groped, had to push him off, threatened her career 25. Ambra Guttierez - groped breasts 26: Lauren Holly - exposed himself, demanded massage 27. Angelina Jolie - unwanted advances 28. Ashley Judd - demanded massage, asked her to watch him masturbate 29. Katherine Kendall - demanded massage, exposed himself, chased - 23 30. Minka Kelly - offered her a $ lifestyle if she would be his girlfriend 31. Mia Kirshner - unwanted advances/inducements 32. Mylene Klass - offered a sex contract 33. Laura Madden - demanded massages 34. Sarah Ann Masse - interviewed her for nanny job in his underwear - 35. Rose McGowan - (NDA) rape - 23 36. Emily Nestor - offered her mentorship in return for sex 37. Lauren O'Connor - harrassment (NDA) 38. Gwyneth Paltrow - demanded massage - 22 39. Zelda Perkins - potential harassment but settlement 25 40. Sarah Polley - insinuated to her contracts for relationship 41. Tomi-Ann Roberts - naked in bath - 20 42. Erika Rosenbaum - he masturbated stood behind her 43. Melissa Sagemiller - demanded massage, blacklisted her - 24 44. Lea Seydoux - lunged at her 45. Lauren Sivan - masturbated in front of her in restaurant 46. 'Sarah Smith' (pseudonym) - sexual assault 47. Mira Sorvino - unwanted massage/chased 48. Tara Subkoff - pulled her onto his lap/blacklisted 49. Paula Wachowiak - exposed himself, demanded massage - 25

Plus five more anonymous = 54 women
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That list doesn't include:
Jessica Hynes (didn't get a role when refused to do a screen test in a bikini)
Courtney Love (potentially blacklisted)
Felicity Huffman (forced to wear his wife's gowns or no promotion)
Or women he has slandered by namedropping them (Charlize Theron, Nicole Kidman) Or ''Harvey's Girls'' blinds.

74. Larissa Gomes - attempted sexual assault
75. Juls Hindi - indecent exposure
76. Paula Williams - indecent exposure

Its appalling how many there are and this is probably the tip of the iceberg too. What has prompted this second wave of revelations? (It felt like there was a lull earlier this week.)

It's not a second wave - Daryl and Anabella were in the last 24 hours - but the others I did not come across until cross referencing. Essentially the Guardian, vulture, the cut etc all have lists which are being updated but there is no one list so it is hard to keep up as many complainants have disclosed during interviews or via twitter/Instagram.

Ah, OK. Its shocking. I hope he is charged and subjected to the full extent of the law, wherever there is scope to pursue cases (re statute of limitations etc).

Unless the anonymous complainants are recent or those alleging he raped them press charges then I'm not sure he will be charged as I suspect any plaintiff/class action is going against the company (who allegedly knew of his conduct because of pay-offs) for not protecting them. As Yewtree showed, historical allegations are hard to prosecute because of the burden of proof/hearsay (he said/she said) nature of it (which is why presumably his PR are now going along the 'I recall things differently' route) but I have zero legal expertise so I might be wrong - I do hope so.

Just read this, a rather graphic account by a young model about her photo shoot with Terry Richardson, another sexual predator abusing his power.

www.vocativ.com/underworld/sex/oh-god-whats-happening-close-personal-terry-richardson-model/

www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/weighing-the-costs-of-speaking-out-about-harvey-weinstein

Follow-up article by Ronan Farrow re Anabella and Daryl.
I wish those defending him or suggesting not all women were complainants could see how manipulative he was.
He forced massages or cunnilingus so he could discredit allegations and he made sure to pull out to ejaculate so that semen evidence would be minimal. The guy needs locking up.

has anyone mentioned Westminster or Brussels or the BBC yet? all covered extensively in the Sunday Times today. It appears that exploitation of power is totally rife everywhere...

GruesomeLady - thanks for that link. Both of those accounts are terrifying. The Daryl Hannah account where he had a key to her room -and all the door pounding - it's a good job she had her makeup artist there.

It's also a good illustration of how everyone knew but not only did nothing in terms of public reporting but wouldn't even stand up to him. Quentin Tarrantino is disgusting IMO for doing nothing. At at that point Daryl Hannah was really famous. What a bunch of @%$"£

Garnier and Crabb I read about yes yolo good luck to Maybot with that one, she'll be sacking half of government. Alternatively there'll be a few sacrificial lambs and she'll wait for it to blow over. Given how the investigations and subsequent Inquiry into establishment paedophilia went, I have little to zero faith in her.

Kevin Spacey has been accused of making sexual advances towards a teenage actor in the 1980s: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41799026

Kevin Spacey story out there now. He has come out the closet. It will be interesting whether Anthony Rapp's allegation unleashes the floodgates on him.
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41799026

X post cave morning!

Morning GLOM

Haven't there been rumours about Kevin Spacey for a few years in terms of inappropriate behaviour?

His statement was careful. There have been stories circulating for years. Not just about his sexuality, that's his own business, but his alleged treatment of gay and straight men who were intoxicated. Also stories of trips abroad. Also picking mentees from theatre productions. As with HW there are stories of consensual relationships (twinks or twinkies) but also some alleged predatory behaviour and I applaud Anthony for coming forward.

He will have had that statement ready, put it that way. But it has been retweeted 13000 times already and liked 28000 times. I appreciate its candour but my view towards predators doesn't change just because I like the actor.

Actually, scrap that. It's only candid in so far as it is slightly better than Trump and Wankstain's denials. It's an apology but one without accountability. I'm sorry if...I was drunk...historic allegation etc

Also "examining one's behaviour" is a crock. You don't try it on with minors. But the allegation (which would be sexual assault of a minor if any touching was involved) is also past the statute of limitations.

Oh my God - Seth McFarlane did a joke in 2015 (wonder if he's regretting his material yet)
Naked Stewie from family guy running through a mall proclaiming "Help! I've escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement. Help me!"

Sorry 2005

Twelve years ago.

mashable.com/2017/10/30/seth-macfarlane-kevin-spacey/#wdkEd9UhRsqC

Gruesome I'm glad they're in there - it shows how long this stuff has been known about.

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/kevin-spacey-twitter-apology-gay-sexual-assault-sexuality-anthony-rapp-party-allegations-a8026726.html

^Good. Being called out on using coming out as a deflection. The trope of gay=pederast needs stamping on.

Sue Perkins is being very critical of KS on Twitter for trying to hide from the allegations with "But I'm gay". Here's what she's said:

"Well done Kev. You stay silent on your sexuality until the time comes when you can conflate it with an alleged sexual assault on a minor."

"In doing so, you simultaneously undervalue the horrific nature of the allegation and set back the LGBT+ community. Well done."

And has also been pointed out, he said he couldn't remember the incident in question but he DOES remember that he was definitely drunk... 🤔

And has also been pointed out, he said he couldn't remember the incident in question but he DOES remember that he was definitely drunk...

He says he’s sorry for what would have been ‘deeply inappropriate drunken behaviour’.

So yes. How do you know you weren’t stone cold sober, Kev? Since you have zero recollection.

It’s also manipulative to suggest that drunken sexual assault is somehow more forgiveable than sober sexual assault.

The woman that was raped by Polanski was interviewed by Piers Morgan (I think it was last week), she said she didn't understand all the fuss, as she had consented, and that back in the day everyone was doing it . She is bringing a book out.