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Farage speaks at Trump rally

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HPFA · 25/08/2016 07:15

This:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37177938

I hadn't actually thought that Nigel Farage could go lower in my estimation. But have to admit I was wrong...

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Lweji · 29/08/2016 08:46

I didn't even mean war.
There's an effect regardless.

Trump is not with Obama on this.

Trump would give free reign to Putin. Nobody in their right minds would do that. Putin is intent on regaining the power and influence Russia once had. And he sees no problem in taking military action to do it. He also sees no problem in perverting democracy to stay in power indefinitely.
Or bombing hospitals.

Lweji · 29/08/2016 08:47

Sorry, free rein.
And a reign too. Grin

claig · 29/08/2016 08:51

Trump is with Obama, and is not with Hillary.

It is only Obama who has succeeded in reining in the hawks like McCain and the rest and preventing war in Ukraine and in Syria.

Trump has the top general Lt Col Michael Flynn advising him, former head of the Defence Intelligence Agency. Flynn knows exactly what has really been going on and therefore so does Trump. Trump will clean up and sort things out.

Lweji · 29/08/2016 08:57

Flynn knows exactly what has really been going on and therefore so does Trump.

Does he? Does he really?
Because so far he's only shown his ignorance.

He's said he'd use nuclear weapons. That threy are to be used (wherever they are because he has no idea).

He's supported going to Lybia.

You can't say he's with Obama. He couldn't be further away.

claig · 29/08/2016 08:58

"Stay out of Crimea or risk WORLD WAR III with Russia, says Donald Trump

DONALD TRUMP has claimed Russian strongman Vladimir Putin’s military action in Crimea should be left alone because meddling would trigger WORLD WAR THREE."

www.express.co.uk/news/world/695724/Donald-Trump-Russia-Crimea-Ukraine-crisis-Vladimir-Putin-world-war-three

"Donald Trump on Friday accused his GOP rivals of seeking to “start World War III over Syria” and suggested the U.S. let Russia take up the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)

"They want to start World War III over Syria. Give me a break," Trump said at the State Fairgrounds in Oklahoma City."

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/255052-trump-gop-rivals-want-to-start-world-war-iii-over-syria

All of the people who don't understand what really goes on will end up being relieved that Trump prevents World War III and prevents the crazies and war hawks from starting it.

Lweji · 29/08/2016 08:58

preventing war in Ukraine and in Syria.

Also, newsflash there are wars in the Ukraine and in Syria.

Lweji · 29/08/2016 09:00

Erm...
The last time someone said to leave a dictator alone when he annexed a territory to prevent a world war it worked REALLY well...

claig · 29/08/2016 09:08

'Also, newsflash there are wars in the Ukraine and in Syria.'

Yes, but not open conflicts between the US/NATO and Russia which would be World War III, which only some war hawks and bankers would want to occur.

Lweji · 29/08/2016 09:51

How do you reconcile Trump saying he'd use nuclear weapons in Europe and him leaving all doors open for Putin to do what he pleases?

The US and Russia have backed different sides before without anyone going to WW3, even at riskier times during the cold war.

Putin is not stupid enough to want WW3, either. But he's clever enough to keep pushing boundaries. With Trump there'd be none, or he'd directly threaten with the nukes (if he could find them).

claig · 29/08/2016 10:05

'How do you reconcile Trump saying he'd use nuclear weapons in Europe and him leaving all doors open for Putin to do what he pleases?'

Trump always says crazy things because as the legendary Stump for Trump sisters so often say "he is a baller, a shot caller", he does it for bargaining positions and for deal making so that his opponents don't know what to expect and cant read his true intentions.

He is not holding doors open for Putin, he is a dealmaker who recognises reality and doesn't want world war (like the hawks and their moneyed backers want) but instead wants to make deals with Putin for the benefit of the United States and its people.

'The US and Russia have backed different sides before without anyone going to WW3, even at riskier times during the cold war. '

Yes, but now the situation is far more precarious because the moneyed backers are losing control of the economy, the debt burden is huge and the derivatives' position is enormous, which is why some are edging their war hawks to escalate the situation. Trump knows all this and intends to stop it and make America great again by ending the moneyed backers globalist game and doing deals with Putin and China and whoever else.

'Putin is not stupid enough to want WW3, either.'

Of course Putin doesn't want world war, it is the war hawks and their moneyed controllers who want it.

' With Trump there'd be none, or he'd directly threaten with the nukes (if he could find them).'

You understiate Trump. COntrary to what the BBC and Channel 4 says about Trump, the whole world will respect him and America when he takes over. Trump is not mucking about, he thrashed the Republican Establishment and world leaders are all very respectful of him now that his victory is close and after he wins, the grovelling will be like we have never seen before.

Lweji · 29/08/2016 11:06

Trump always says crazy things

And here we go back to how anyone can trust what he says.

You drink from his very word believing what he says, then you say we can't believe what he says.

You, and him, can't have it both ways.

Anything you say about Trump, what he stands for, and what he'd do, is automatically invalidated by that statement.

Lweji · 29/08/2016 11:07

Of course Putin doesn't want world war, it is the war hawks and their moneyed controllers who want it.

So, they forced him to invade Crimea?

claig · 29/08/2016 11:21

The EU backed coup in Ukraine that toppled an elected President led to a situation where the new government backed by hard right nationalists were possibly about to expel Russia from its naval base in Crimea. That is why Putin acted and called a referendum there.

Trump has said

"Stay out of Crimea or risk WORLD WAR III with Russia, says Donald Trump

DONALD TRUMP has claimed Russian strongman Vladimir Putin’s military action in Crimea should be left alone because meddling would trigger WORLD WAR THREE."

www.express.co.uk/news/world/695724/Donald-Trump-Russia-Crimea-Ukraine-crisis-Vladimir-Putin-world-war-three

It's just realpolitik. Trump doesn't want WWIII over it.

merrymouse · 29/08/2016 11:27

Claig, Trump is deliberately targeting people who no longer even try to hide the fact that they are mysogynistic , racist trolls.

It's no longer possible to argue that he is just a PC baiting loud mouth.

Whether they honestly have a plan or just have big egos, Trump and Farage are deliberately associating with really, really nasty people.

They may think it's a joke and that they can easily step back. However, they aren't riding a tide of anti-establishment rebellion, they are riding a tide of hate, and that is very difficult to control.

claig · 29/08/2016 11:31

merrymouse, Trump is not courting racist votes. That is just Clinton and her team's attempt to demonize Trump in an election. She was pals with Trump several years ago, but now we have an election and therefore smear tactics are used.

There are racists in America and many of them support Trump over Clinton, but that doesn't mean that Trump has gone after their tiny vote. Trump and Dr Ben Carson are about to start an outreach campaign in black neighbourhoods which no other Republican has done.

Lweji · 29/08/2016 11:34

Trump and Dr Ben Carson are about to start an outreach campaign in black neighbourhoods which no other Republican has done.

Now?
Because he's way behind in the polls?

Trump polls lower than any other Republican candidate in recent elections among black voters.

The 1% he has must be the Stroppy Sisters.

claig · 29/08/2016 11:35

Black pastors who support Trump and speak at his rallies and the black Stump for Trump sisters who are Trump's biggest fans on the planet, say that lots of black Americans support Trump.

The opponents of Trump will use clver tactics to try and make Trump's outreach a failure by stuffing the hall with their activists who will shout racist at him, but I think Trump will still do it to show the country that he does care and reveal the dirty tricks the other side play to win elections.

merrymouse · 29/08/2016 11:36

Yes, he is. You can pretend that he is the victim of a smear campaign, but in the age of Social media it is quite possible to communicate outside the 'MSM' and condemn people you don't want to be associated with - plenty of people do.

Trump retweets them.

claig · 29/08/2016 11:37

'The 1% he has must be the Stroppy Sisters.'

He has much more than 1%. Only 85% of black Americans back Hillary. Obama won over 92%.

Don't believe the Establishment's polls, they are desperate to stop Trump. Remember Brexit and the fact that Trump calls himself "Mr Brexit".

merrymouse · 29/08/2016 11:37

Really, as the famous saying goes, when somebody shows you who they are, believe them.

claig · 29/08/2016 11:38

'Trump retweets them.'

Trump retweets anyone who supports him and calls him great. He doesn't read the fine print about who sent it etc. He is not that tech savvy.

claig · 29/08/2016 11:40

'Really, as the famous saying goes, when somebody shows you who they are, believe them.'

Hillary and Bill were pals of Trump. Trump's daughter is pals with Hillary's daughter. It was Bill Clinton who phoned Trump and suggested that he run for President. That is why there were conspiracy theories that Trump works for the Clintons.

The Clintons know Trump.

merrymouse · 29/08/2016 11:41

He doesn't read the fine print about who sent it etc. He is not that tech savvy.

Yes, you see there he is showing you that he is a bit of a plank.

claig · 29/08/2016 11:44

'Yes, you see there he is showing you that he is a bit of a plank.'

Yes, he is a bit of a plank, but Trump fans don't care. He likes to say he has the highest IQ etc, but no one believes him. He makes mistakes, he says stupid things, but no one cares because he is real and intends to sort the Establishment out.

merrymouse · 29/08/2016 11:44

And 'plank' would be the charitable interpretation. There is still the possibility that he knows what he is doing.

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