Farage speaks at Trump rally

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This:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37177938

I hadn't actually thought that Nigel Farage could go lower in my estimation. But have to admit I was wrong...

So what is it about Trump that is sending Channel 4 into "sheer panic"?

And what do The Establishment want? Don't be coy.

Is it brotherly love?

Don't believe the polls. On the day of Brexit, they said that Remain, Cameron and the team were ahead by 10 points. Listen to Farage's interview with Fox Business that I posted earlier on where he discusses that and says why he thinks they did that.

If Corbyn offers stunning policies that help ordinary people (including the middle class) then he has a very good chance of breaking the magic circle and winning an election. He is up against Theresa May, who is a very strong opponent and better than Cameron, but lots of events can happen before the election with Brexit or the economy etc which means that Corbyn cannot be written off.

Corbyn is not Tory-lite, he is not austerity-lite like the stooges. Corbyn offers a real alternative and that is why he could yet win.

Blair may not want a left wing Labour party to form a government

"Tony Blair says he wouldn’t want a left-wing Labour party to win an election

The former PM says he wouldn't take the 'route to victory' if it was left-wing"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-says-he-wouldn-t-want-a-left-wing-labour-party-to-win-an-election-10406928.html

but there are many non-Blairites who do.

Again it simply didn't show in the elections and this is what counts in the end. Those that support far left politics paid £3 to join its changed the party for now but it hasn't changed the politics of our country because of an ineffectual opposition

Corbyn will never be PM no one is concerned apart from labour supporters that don't support him as we can see it means longer Tory rule and with a larger majority after the next election

If you really think that Corbyn will
ever be PM a man with connections
to Islamic terrorists groups people he calls his friends given what is going on in Europe at the moment you are deluded

'So what is it about Trump that is sending Channel 4 into "sheer panic"?'

Because he is anti-establishment. If you think Corbyn is anti-establishment, you have seen nothing yet. Trump is the real deal. He will overturn the crap policies. It's over for the Establishment if he wins and they all know it.

And here is the magic circle. Is that the same as the establishment? Or is it what the establishment do on their evenings out?

Yes but claig, the game was to explain it without saying "the Establishment". I guess it was just too hard.

'Those that support far left politics paid £3 to join its changed the party for now but it hasn't changed the politics of our country because of an ineffectual opposition'

Corbyn has been constantly undermined by his own party. Most people in teh country don't even know who Corbyn is yet and frankly they don't care. They don't listen to what the BBC tells them, just like over Brexit. When election time comes, they will listen and if Corbyn offers more and cheaper housing, nationalised rail and cheaper fares, better health service and free care for the elderly without needing to sell their homes, scrapping of tuition fees, more jobs and investment in infrastructure, ending of tax loopholes for big corporations, taxes on City speculators, better schools and eductaion and a National Learning Service with free lifelong learning, support of steel industry and industries in trouble etc etc, they won't care about his wacky policies and friends in Cuba etc, that will all be irrelevant.

'Or is it what the establishment do on their evenings out?'

What they do doesn't bear thinking about. Piggate is probably only the half of it.

You think the public won't care when the papers print stories of Corbyn's connections (IRA, Hamas etc) his anti UK/West stance on this climate

Of course they will

People don't really believe all of what politicians tell them on the campaign trail they know so much is political spin and exaggerated truths. Something Corbyn knows quite a bit about too ....

They eat cream eggs:

What do they want, The Establishment.

What ever you do, don't look in the mirror and say "The Establishment" three times in a row.

'You think the public won't care when the papers print stories of Corbyn's connections (IRA, Hamas etc) his anti UK/West stance on this climate '

They will but I believe they have already factored in that he is a crazy, loony left socialist and they all think like that, so it is no big surprise to anyone, they just think "what do you expect, he is a loony leftie", and if he offers all the things they care about, they may ignore the loony stuff and say that is what all the lefties are like. They won't like it but I am not convinced they will treat it seriously whatever the media says. It all depends on the mood of the country at the time, just like Brexit where the public ignored the media.

"Just like Brexit where the public ignored the media"

'People don't really believe all of what politicians tell them on the campaign trail they know so much is political spin and exaggerated truths. '
They don't believe the Establishment politicians, the Oxbridge teams and the media, but people like Corbyn because they think he is genuine, just like Farage and Trump. People think that "Trump tells it like it is". The mood has swung against the Establishment and people trust the anti-establishment politicians more than the Establishment ones.

It is now all about "authenticity", and Trump and Farage and Corbyn win hands down on that over the Establishment candidates.

Crazy loony left socialist is one thing

His connections, history and friends is quite another.

We are not talking about wearing his Lenin hat on marches or having Cuban communist friends we are taking about befriending terrorists that have killed British people or have supported terrorists acts agains the uk and the west with no political reason for him to do so

This the public will be reminded of day in and day out during a
general election campaign

Of course there is many other reasons why I think he won't win but that is the main reason. How do you think Corbyn with his history could sit at a table with international leaders and discuss ME political issues

'we are taking about befriending terrorists that have killed British people or have supported terrorists acts agains the uk and the west with no political reason for him to do so '

I know. But remember left winger Ken Livingstone who invited Gerry Adams over etc. That is what these loony left wingers are like and Livingstone was still lected Mayor and was still popular among left wingers despite Thatcher and the papers calling him "Red Ken" etc. I don't agree with Corbyn, I think he is a wacky left winger on those issues but lots of them are like that due to their left wing principles of supporting anti-imperialist underdogs etc. Most people will disagree with them but they will have already discounted those things as being part of a loony left worldview. I prefer Trump and I think most people will, but if Corbyn offers amazing things for people, I think they may ignore those issues.

But, Corbyn is weak and bottles it (unlike Trump) as shown by the fact that he couldn't control his party so he may not be able to stand the media onslaught that will come against him.

Corbyn also believes in immigration that is unchecked as far as I can make out and that idiot McDonnell believe sin open borders as far as I understand it, and even though most people are against that, they may still discount it all as loony left if Corbyn offers enough good things in other areas.

It won't be easy for him and I don't think he has teh courage to face the criticism, but he can't be written off if he comes up with enough good policies in other areas.

'How do you think Corbyn with his history could sit at a table with international leaders and discuss ME political issues'

Because if Corbyn was Prime Minister, he would represent Great Britain and that has clout.

It is now all about "authenticity", and Trump and Farage and Corbyn win hands down on that over the Establishment candidates.

They don't.
None of them is "authentic", least of all Trump and Farage.

And Trump is not wining hands down or up. He's trailing. And it would take a miracle at this stage for him to overtake Hillary. The projections for delegates have him losing even if he got all the toss up states: 272 to 266.

However, Owen Smith who said he thinks Isis should get around the table for negotiations one day is unlikely to get an easy ride from the public, because they don't think he is a loony lefty like Corbyn with loony principles etc , they view Smith as Establishment and therefore they will take his position seriously and go against it.

My lovely dog has more chance of being PM than Corbyn - and would be far more loyal. Woof!

Not worried at all that he will ever be PM - never going to happen no matter how many rallies he has. If you think the lower level GOP members turning against Trump is an issue - ha just wait til JC is re-elected and starts the purges. He won't have anyone left to actually campaign for an election. On the ground it will fall apart and them Momentum peeps are a bit all mouth and no action (apart from a bit of argey bargey)

Shall I add Comrade Corbyn into my style magazine? Oooohh that's interesting a bit of musty geography teacher meets citizen smith channelling the older steptoe. He gives Nige a run for his racketeer look. Vivienne Westwood thinks he is a style leader apparently .

But, come on I'm not going to encourage DH into that look - I can't stand the smell of musty. So I have to sartorially go towards the fascists to avoid geography trendy. It's not a choice I am proud of. Shake it up Corbyn DH can't be styling Mosley - you need to sort it!

'And it would take a miracle at this stage for him to overtake Hillary.'

I posted the video of John Di Domenico, top US Trump impersonator, who told "gone Channel 4's" Matt Frei that from travelling all over the country for a year, that he thinks it will be a landslide for Trump because despite what the news is reporting about the polls, from meeting people on the ground it is totally different.

The Establishment are scared, very scared and they are spinning like they have never spun before. It's no miracle, it's a Trump landslide and their internal polling is probably telling them that which is why they have activated Project Fear and Project Spin, but we all know what happened with that in Brexit which is why Trump calls himself "Mr Brexit".

I think your dog's part of the Establishment, showme. Or maybe the magic circle.

Woof.

He won't be PM that was the point I was making because people will think how can he represent us given his connections/friends etc

Livingstone was voted in as mayor of a stronghold labour city and then someone who charmed the voter came along and voting for a labour mayor didn't really matter the mayor is a very different role to a party and leader of that party leading the country. He might still be popular with the left wing how shameful but then it goes to show for a few voters no matter what you say who you offend as long as you are anti establishment that's all the maters