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BeetrootsResolution · 30/12/2006 12:39

My uncle sent me this and thought it was an appropriate time to share it with you

The Truth?

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Papillon · 03/01/2007 20:52

In the news my dh read an article that said that in Great Britian people are watching the TV less, and that they are watching youtube more

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 20:55

Sobernow, aw shucks, I know but it so epitomises the man (imho)

ludaloo - I'm not taking that bit of footage as genuine, sorry!

Papillon · 03/01/2007 20:55

actually I am going to San Francisco next week to visit my brother who lives there

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 20:57

no...it seems to disappear rather quickly doesn't it....Its before the second stike too I was thinking it could of been that blur that passed the other tower in the other clip

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 20:57

at JanH's link.

He's good at jokes isn't he? Remember the 'terrible pilot' 'joke'?

JanH · 03/01/2007 21:03

more youtube, sorry!

Major General Albert Stubblebine (don't laugh), retired, was "in charge of the Army's Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job".

He says no way was the Pentagon hit by that plane. He is pretty angry about it.

This 9/11 truth movement is gathering momentum, you know....

JanH · 03/01/2007 21:07

I wasn't sure about the plane in that clip, ludaloo - that blur could have been faked too (it was so quick) - there has been a fair bit of doctoring of video tape

(Even the tiny clip of the first plane striking WTC1 has been cut, apparently. And you realise what an utter fluke it is that it exists at all? There wasn't supposed to be any video evidence.)

Furball · 03/01/2007 21:11

That footage of the first plane was only shot because a reporter was doing a documentary on NYPD and so followed them around. At that moment they were sorting out a problem with something like a drain in a road. The actual documentary was shown on tv here.

JanH · 03/01/2007 21:20

Apologies in advance for the length of the next bit (William Rodriguez again) - I can't find a separate web page to link to:

WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High; Eye Witness Testimony Is Conclusive That North Tower Collapsed From Controlled Demolition

WTC janitor pulls burn victim to safety after basement explosion rocks north tower seconds before jetliner hit top floors. Also, two other men trapped and drowning in a basement elevator shaft, were also pulled to safety from underground explosion..
June 24, 2005

By Greg Szymanski

What happened to William Rodriguez the morning of 9/11 is a miracle. What happened to his story after-the-fact is a tragedy.

But with miracles and tragedies comes truth. And truth is exactly what Rodriguez brings to the whole mystery surrounding 9/11.

Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, he was the janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner struck the top floors.

He not only claims he felt explosions coming from below the first sub-level while working in the basement, he says the walls were cracking around him and he pulled a man to safety by the name of Felipe David, who was severely burned from the basement explosions.

All these events occurred only seconds before and during the jetliner strike above. And through it all, he now asks a simple question everybody should be asking? How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man's arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact?

Rodriguez claims this was impossible and clearly demonstrates a controlled demolition brought down the WTC, saying "Let's see them (the government) try to wiggle out of this one."

Well, they haven't wiggled out of it because the government continues to act like Rodriguez doesn't exist, basically ignoring his statements and the fact he rescued a man burnt and bleeding from the basement explosions.

His eye witness account, ignored by the media and the government, points the finger squarely on an official cover-up at the highest levels since the government contends the WTC fell only from burning jet fuel. And after listening to Rodriguez, it's easy to see why the Bush administration wants him kept quiet.

Bush wants him quiet because Rodriguez's account is ?proof positive? the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition, not burning jet fuel. And Bush knows if he's caught lying about this or caught in a cover-up, it's just a matter of time before the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

In fact, Rodriguez's story is so damaging ? so damning ? it literally blows the lid off the government story, literally exposing the whole 9/11 investigation as a sham and a cover-up of the worst kind.

And it appears the cover-up also extends to the media.

NBC news knew about his story several years ago, even spending a full day at his house taping his comments. But when push came to shove, his story was never aired. Why?

His eyewitness account, backed up by at least 14 people at the scene with him, isn't speculation or conjecture. It isn't a story that takes a network out on a journalistic limb. It's a story that can be backed up, a story that can be verified with hospital records and testimony from many others.

It's a story about 14 people who felt and heard the same explosion and even saw Rodriguez, moments after the airplane hit, take David to safety, after he was burnt so bad from the basement explosion flesh was hanging from his face and both arms

So why didn't NBC or any other major news outlets cover the story? They didn't run it because it shot the government story to hell and back. They didn't run it because "the powers that be" wouldn't allow it.

Since 9/11, Rodriguez has stuck to his guns, never wavering from what he said from day one. Left homeless at times, warned to keep quiet and subtly harassed, he nevertheless has continued trying to tell get his message out in the face of a country not willing to listen.

Here is his story:

The Miracle

It's a miracle Rodriguez, 44, who worked at the WTC for 20 years, is even alive. Usually arriving to work at 8:30am, the morning of 9/11 he reported 30 minutes late. If he'd arrived on time, it would have put him at the top floors just about the same time the jetliner hit the north tower.

"It was a miracle. If I arrived on time, like always, I'd probably be dead. I would have been up at the top floors like every morning," said Rodriguez about the quirk of fate that saved his life.

But since he was late, Rodriguez found himself checking into work in an office on sub-level 1 when the north tower was hit, seemingly out of harms way. However, the sound and concussion of a massive explosion in the sub-levels right below his feet changed that.

"When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office.

Rodriguez said Anthony Saltamachia, supervisor for the American Maintenance Co., was one of the people in the room who stands ready to verify his story.

"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."

But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"

David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.

"He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn't have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don't care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below.

"I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up.

"I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can't even say a word."

After Rodriguez escorted David to safety outside the WTC, he returned to lead the others in the basement to safety as well. While there, he also helped two other men trapped and drowning in the basement elevator shaft, another result he says of the explosives placed below the tower.

In fact, after leading these men to safety, he even made another trip back into the north tower, against police orders, in order to rescue people from the top floors.

"I never could make it to the top, but I got up to the 33rd floor after getting some of my equipment and a face mask out of the janitor's closet," said Rodriguez, adding he heard a series of small explosions going off between the 20th and 30th floors, unrelated to the airplane strike, while making his way through the stairwell to the top floors.

"Also, when I was on the 33rd floor, I heard strange sounds coming form the 34th floor, loud noises like someone moving and thumping heavy equipment and furniture. I knew this floor was empty and stripped due to construction work so I avoided it and continued to make my way up the stairs."

Rodriguez said he finally reached the 39th floor before being turned back by fire fighters and then, reluctantly, started his descent back down and his own flight to safety while, at the same time, hearing explosions coming from the South Tower.

The Tragedy

The concerted effort by the media and the government to silence Rodriguez is the tragedy behind this American hero's story. And there is no question, Rodriguez is a "silent hero" for saving so many lives and for having the courage to continue telling his story against tremendous odds.

In an effort to open a fair and honest investigation as to why the WTC collapsed, Rodriguez has been ignored by government officials, the 9/11 Commission and the National Institute of Safety and Technology (NIST).

NIST, an independent investigative group funded by the government, put the finishing touches this week on its 2 year $35 million 9/11 investigation. This week Rodriguez made his final plea to have his story heard while testifying at the final public hearing held in New York.

" I disagree 100%with the government story," said Rodriguez. "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.

"And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn't have any answers.

"Also, The FBI never followed up on my claims or on the other part of my story when I told them before 9/11, I encountered one of the hijackers casing the north tower."

Besides the explosions, Rodriguez also has provided testimony to the 9/11 Commission that he stumbled across one of the supposed 19 Arab hijackers inside the WTC several months before 9/11

"I had just finished cleaning the bathroom and this guy asks me, 'Excuse me, how many public bathrooms are in this area?'" Rodriguez told the 9/11 Commission. "Coming from the school of the 1993 [Trade Center] bombing, I found it very strange. I didn't forget about it"

Rodriguez, claims he saw United Airlines Flight 175 hijacker Mohand Alshehri in June 2001, telling an FBI agent about the incident a month after the attacks. Never hearing back from the bureau, he later learned agents never followed up on the story.

"I'm very certain, I'll give it 90%" that Alshehri was casing the towers before the attacks," said Rodriguez.

Regarding the media's apathetic approach to his story, Rodriguez said immediately after 9/11 some newspapers picked it up but his words were never taken seriously and quickly forgotten.

"During the 9/11 hearings, NBC brought a crew out to my house and spent a day taping my story but they never did air a word of it," said Rodriguez. "Since then, some reporters and commentators have subtly warned me to keep quiet, told me my life could be in jeopardy and warned me that I really didn't understand who I was dealing with.

"I have been receiving this type of subtle harassment for years, but I keep telling everybody I can't be intimidated because I am on a mission. Whenever someone asks why I keep talking or warns me that I could be killed, I just tell them I have nothing to lose.

"I tell them I lost 200 friends and I am their voice now. I tell them I will do everything in my power to find out the truth since I am living on borrowed time since I probably should be dead anyway."

Besides trying to tell his explosive story, Rodriguez has been active raising money for 9/11victims, being involved with charity groups that have raised more than $122 million. He says he has used over $60,000 of his own money, originally earmarked to buy a new house, in order to get at the truth behind 9/11.

Also seeking justice at the highest level, Rodriguez is the lead plaintiff in a federal RICO lawsuit filed against President Bush and others, alleging conspiracy to commit murder and other crimes in the deaths of more than 3,000 at the WTC.

The case, filed last November in a Philadelphia federal district court, recently was moved to New York in a change of venue after a government's motion to dismiss was overruled, allowing legal discovery to continue.

"Even if the case goes no farther, I feel we have scored a victory by winning this first battle," said Rodriguez. "At least the judge seems willing to listen which is a victory of sorts. However, I sincerely hope we can eventually take the case all the way to trial and reveal the truth to the American people about 9/11."

For more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon.com where kind donations are also accepted to keep the truth flowing in the wake of media apathy.

Greg Szymanski

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 21:20

Jan, there used to be a big billboard on the M6 for 911truth.org - you may have noticed it on your way to getting lost in Cumbria

(I think its gone now)

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 21:23

Hmmm.....thats a good read Jan

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 21:29

I saw a You Tube today of a construction worker who was 3 or 4 floors down under the tower. He said there were people injured down there, one with a broken leg but I don't think he mentioned explosives he seemed to think it was from the plane. I'll see if I can find it again.

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 21:32

The whole debate on WTC 1 and 2 and whether they could of withstood such an impact (I'm sorry but this bit bothers me)
Now the firefighters, rescue workers, ambulance teams etc etc, they all went into these buildings to try to put fires out...rescue people...
This is what they would do under the circumstances right? Building is on fire... no one actually thought oh hang on a minute...we had better not let these emergency service people in because the buildings might collapse.
It was presumed that the towers were not going to collapse otherwise why let them in in the first place.

Monkeytrousers · 03/01/2007 21:37

christie1 - I agree. Horrifying

Monkeytrousers · 03/01/2007 21:39

ludaloo - firefighters are always at risk from buring buildings collapse. It happens a lot. It's part of their training

Monkeytrousers · 03/01/2007 21:39

collapsing

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 21:42

The mayor of NYC was interviewed on the street that day...and he actually says...that he knew the towers were going to collapse before they actually did...

you only need to watch the first minute or so to hear him say this (although it is all rather interesting)

here

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 21:46

this isn't the one I was looking for but its interesting nonetheless.

there's the firemen on here talking about it being like a demolition, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom

here

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 21:51

this too

This one again...you can clearly hear an explosion

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 21:55

how many people do they need to say there were explosions before they believe it?

What other explanations are there for the explosion noises??

Couldn't be gas...there were no gas tanks in the building for obvious reasons

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 22:00

Bush slips up...lies about where he was and what he saw that morning.

WTC owner, Silverstein slips up and announces he was told they had been given orders to "pull" WTC7

Major of NYC slips up and says he knew the buildings were coming down before they did

Were further interviews ever allowed to clarify these comments??? nope

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 22:02

oh...actually...Silverstien was allowed to clarify it briefly...

To which he then said...when he meant pull...he meant pull the firefighters out...
Ahem...there were no firefighters in there..

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 22:03

Its WTC7 where they have really dropped the biggest clanger IMO!

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 22:09

your link of 21.42 was fascinating ludaloo

going to watch your next one now

JanH · 03/01/2007 22:29

Jools, you got message 1000, well done

(I suppose this will get locked up now )

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