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BeetrootsResolution · 30/12/2006 12:39

My uncle sent me this and thought it was an appropriate time to share it with you

The Truth?

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Blandmum · 03/01/2007 12:29

anf i can't spell or type!

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 12:37

more eyewitnesess to secondary explotions..

here

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 12:40

lots of people witnessed these explotions.

I have been enlightened that thermite wouldn't have caused expotions but something did...

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 12:41

explotions...

Papillon · 03/01/2007 12:41

I'm getting squinty eyes Jan Can see something solid there before it disintergrates.

We really are still living in a world of uncertains when a scientist says that the hammer may come back! Is it a boomerang Maybe we all just need to maximise our atoms more of something... I knew I was into spirituality for a reason.

I am now going to manifest in Jan's living room... watch out

JanH · 03/01/2007 12:41

re the simulator mb, I've never even seen one, let alone been on one, or anywhere near a flight deck, but I'd always assumed that flying a commercial passenger jet involved a bit of technical knowledge of instruments and stuff - also that making sharp turns in one is a bit more complicated than turning the steering wheel of a car - but if you say your 6-yr-old can do it then what can I say?

And that's just one little part of this whole weird situation - if we'd been given information from the black boxes we'd know more

Jeff King would have like to see some of the steel uprights reconstructed, to see where the failures took place - it doesn't sound from his talk as if that was possible with what they had. (The only big bits left were at the bottom)

Papillon · 03/01/2007 12:42

explosions

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 12:46

Jeff King is a scientist.....

Quote "I am absolutely convinced" ...re towers falling as if demolished...

not could have......

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 12:50

do you know...I knew that didn't look right!!

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 12:53

hey people! read this

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 13:01

just to get your interest (or not as the case may be ) here is a quote

"Whatever irregularities caused the top of the tower to tilt, subsequent pictures show the tower falling mostly within its own footprint. There are no reports of this cube of concrete and steel from the upper floors (measuring 200 ft. wide, 200 ft. deep, and 250 ft high) falling a 1000 feet onto the buildings below.

Implosion expert Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. of Phoenix, MD, was also misled by the picture. Having observed the collapses on television news, Loizeaux said the 1,362-ft-tall south tower failed much as one would fell a tree ( www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc_enr.htm or: public-action.com/911/jmcm/USYDENR ).

I have recently seen a videotape rerun of the south tower falling. In that take, the upper floors descend as a complete unit, tilted over as shown on the BBC page, sliding down behind the intervening buildings like a piece of stage scenery.

That scene is the most puzzling of all. Since the upper floors were not collapsed (the connection between the center columns and the platters were intact), this assembly would present itself to the lower floors as a block of platters WITHOUT a central hole. How then would a platter without a hole slide down the spindle with the other platters? Where would the central columns go if they could not penetrate the upper floors as the platters fell?

If the fire melted the floor joints so that the collapse began from the 60th floor downward, the upper floors would be left hanging in the air, supported only by the central columns. This situation would soon become unstable and the top 30 floors would topple over (to use Loizeaux's image) much like felling the top 600 ft. from a 1,300 ft. tree.

This model would also hold for the north tower."

Papillon · 03/01/2007 13:06

"I try not to think about a petroleum fire burning for 104 minutes, just getting hotter and hotter until it reached 1538 degrees Celsius (2800 Fahrenheit) and melted the steel (steel is about 99% iron; for melting points of iron and steel"

thats like what Jeff King said... how could office furniture create such a raging inferno to melt steel. Also the steel cores of the building were designed to prevent a chimney effect.

If you had proposed this scenario to physicists sure they could say anything is possible, BUT it has to stretch the imagination into realms that do not exist within the current reality we live in. By reality I mean our that buildings don't rebuild themselves, hammers don't fly back into our hands.

Wish they would I would be really into magic physics

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 13:08

"In a hundred years of tall city buildings, this kind of collapse has never happened before. Never. It was not predicted by any of the experts involved when the WTC towers were built. But now that it has happened, everybody understands it perfectly and nobody is surprised.

Is this civil engineering in the Third Millennium -- a galloping case of perfect hindsight? "

I like that bit...

JanH · 03/01/2007 13:13

Also, if the steel had lost its elasticity (ie unable to rebound to its proper rigid position) and become more plastic (ie bendy), all the more reason for it to fall in large chunks rather than to crumble, surely? It would only crumble if it was brittle?

JanH · 03/01/2007 13:14

I liked that bit too, ludaloo - also "Given that none of those floors was holding a grand piano sale or an elephant convention that day, it is unlikely that any of them were loaded to the maximum."

Quootiepie · 03/01/2007 13:15

here

I think this shows, if the floors pancaked, the metal whatevers (supports?) would stand. I really cant think how they all could have melted...

Sorry if been posted before.

littleducks · 03/01/2007 13:17

quootie,
wanted to talk, move to chat???

Quootiepie · 03/01/2007 13:19

AH! Now I remember what I was supposed to do before I went to bed last night

JanH · 03/01/2007 13:21

I don't think that one has, quootie, although the Jeff King clip mentions that the Eagar pancake theory illustrates it without the central core.

(Unfortunately your clip has that man with the awful deeeeeeep sloooooooow voice narrating so I can't listen!)

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 13:27

figher fighters view on the fall

rescue people amazed at the lack of big peices of material...a building reduced to dust.

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 13:30

lack of evidence report

Quootiepie · 03/01/2007 14:08

I have no speakers so can't hear anything at all...

nearlymybeetrootday · 03/01/2007 18:10

ludaloo - fire fighters interesting

Aloha · 03/01/2007 19:39

I think it is a wee bit much to expect investigators to reassemble the whole of the WTC steel upright to ascertain the cause of the collapse (I've been up it. It's big). Especially when you, I, a large number of eyewitnesses in NY and most of the world actually SAW two planes crash into the structures which then caught fire.
Are you really saying that AS WELL as flying planes (dummies? real planes? flown by whom?) into the WTC the buildings were actually wired with explosives at EXACTLY the point where the planes hit?

Really?

(and and nobody suggested the steel 'melted'. Steel becomes weak and unstable long before it melts. And all the pictures of the aftermath show steel supports in bits all over the place)

Aloha · 03/01/2007 19:41

Do you all honestly think the hijackers were inventions? Or the planes were inventions?

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