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My uncle sent me this and thought it was an appropriate time to share it with you

The Truth?

310 feet "the plane" went into the pentagon - planes aren't made of solid steel.

Agree that Bush wants to hide a lot. Doing a marvellous job of hiding his brain, will it ever be found?

Will continue to watch film....

The Pentagon plane and no cctv footage released to the public. Why?

It's the blimming Pentagon.

there were a number of cctv cameras but they were all taken by armed guard immedialty after the event and not seen sicne

Have to admit that I had wondered about the whole 9/11 tragedy from the moment Bush came on tv saying we were going to get the Iraqis (Al Quaeda and Iraq having nothing in common of course), North Korea (???) and the Axis of Evil speech.

Osama is Saudi, the terrorists were nearly all Saudi. And he is going on about every country that isn't Saudi?

From that moment I knew something wasn't right. And not just with Bubba Bush.

Why would a fire at the top make a building collapse from the bottom, hey? They went straight down as if they had been demolished - ie with explosive charges on the ground.

because the structural integrety of the building depended on the whole shell of the buildling. When designed the stresses within the building are spread throught the whole structure. Remove the top part, and the stress 'spread' within the rest of the buiding changes radically. Plus there were bloody large lumps of the top layes falling into the lower levels....think of cards from the top of a house of cards falling heavily on tp lower levels

my architect uncle said that the core of the building was the elevator shaft and this should have helped keep the building up. and loads of explosions were heard prior to the collapse.

at least one of the elevator shafts were significantly damaged in the initial strike.

MB, youhave more science knowledge than me but having listened to this documentary, even if some of it sounds rubbish, some of it just does not add up. Why woudl the whole core be damaged becasue the plane went into it?

But what about all the small explosions visible lower down each building before and during the collapse? And why did WTC 7 collapse when it wasn't hit at all?

The only bit I am confused about is the ultimate fate of all the passengers - they must be still alive if they were all flown to Cleveland on Flight 93 and evacuated there - unless they were executed?

(I'm not quite at the very end yet, maybe that will emerge)

Because the force that it was hit with is the product of the mass of the air craft .....bloody big, times the speed at which the a/c was travelling when it hit the towers, bloody fast. That would be *more than enough. This is newtonian physics, and trust me, Newton wasn't wrong on this stuff!

have a shufti at this link to refute the cobblers with real science

www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

I will read that, thanks, mb.

Aside from the collapses though, there is still an awful lot of eyewitness circumstantial evidence - eg according to the local county coroner, there were no human remains in the field where Flight 93 supposedly crashed; there were 2 planes flying around the White House after all flights should have been grounded; NYFD men (and others) heard lots of explosions in the buildings and couldn't explain why all the glass was shattered on the ground floor unless from an explosion; and there was a radio conversation with a fireman on 78th floor of WTC 1, shortly before the building collapsed, saying there were 2 seats of fire and he thought they could be controlled.

It's all very very odd.

Read the stuff I posted and you will see lots of thses things have been de-bunked.

Re eye witnesses....often very unreliable. A missile once fll off dh's plane and fell into someones garden, it fell off the winf, and was a blank....no explosive. Still, it was a mercy that no-one was hurt. An 'eye witness' saif that dh was flying do low he had hit a tree.....he was at 2000 feet, and the 'black box' proved it.

This conspiracy is a load of old bollockes, and bloody distressing for the families.

I remember after the tsunami people posting on MN that the Americans had caused it by setting of an underwater nuke. Uttter bollocks, but people will swallow any old crap if you say it often enough

Only 14 jets on alert is part of the conspiracy theory in Loose Change - all the others (don't know how many) had been sent on training exercises outside the country - quel coincidence...

No, this is quite routine. Trust me I'm an air force wife.

and this will be on 4 minutes warning 'alert' The raf are the same. At any one time there may be only 2 a/c on allert, ie manned, fueled and ready to go

Oh, I do agree re eye witnesses - I sincerely hope I never have to be a witness because I know I'd misremember.

Ah, black boxes - apparently 3 were found at WTC but what was in them has never been used publicly and officially they were not found at all - same with the Pentagon. The last 3 minutes of the voice recorder from Flight 93 (or ahould that be "Flight 93"?) are also lost or uninteresting or something.

I know you are a sceptic, mb, but if you have a spare 90 minutes (probably not) have a look at this film - it's very convincing and not at all loopy.

I am really confused now.

Will watch the film later I think, although it sounds like that might confuse me more.

The plane at the pentagon though, if that didn't hit it, where did it go then ??

Sorry if i am being really thick.

It did hit the pentagon. This myth is debunked in the link I posted.

As for there being no body parts, that is also a lie. And a sick one at that. Have a shufti at the link I posted.

Am gonna click on them all later when I can do so in peace.

I wish I had a better brain sometimes

aerial picture of the Pentagon 3 days later.

Where are the crash and skid marks? It looks like remarkably accurate placement for an amateur pilot.

Jan, so where did the plane go that was meant to have crashed into it then ??

I really am confused now, am getting frown lines sat here.

Thank gawd for mb on here. There was a whole programme on why the wtc buildings collapsed - made of metal, melts when hot etc

nutty, the conspiracy theory is that it was actually a cruise missile, not a plane at all; and it hit the only part of the Pentagon which had been recently reinforced to counter this kind of impact; and Donald Rumsfeld was in the building at the time but, conveniently, at the far side (which is a bloody long way away, it's a huge building)

After you watch the clip read mb's debunking piece - some of the evidence in it isn't related to this film but it's all fascinating.

(mb, I just found this in your debunking thing - "FACT: Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site." - this was definitely misquoted in the film to imply that there no human remains at the crash site )