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BeetrootsResolution · 30/12/2006 12:39

My uncle sent me this and thought it was an appropriate time to share it with you

The Truth?

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Blandmum · 03/01/2007 11:13

It is a logical imposibilty to prove a negative.

What you can't do is to say....'because my window was capable of witstanding a 1 cm stone, now it has been hit by a 2.2cm stone, and shattered this proves the CIA did it '

You can't use that as 'proof' because it just isn't! You can't use that as the foundation and then build a load of other theories on top of it. You havne't proved your basic theory. And I have seen progs on TV that state that it simply wasn't built to withstand an impact of that sixe, because planes of that size didn't exsist when it was designed

Blandmum · 03/01/2007 11:14

sorry that should have been a 1.2cm stone....the same increase in size! My typo, not the work of the CIA, honest

Papillon · 03/01/2007 11:16

right.. maybe not?

always nice to be ignored

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 11:18

I have sat and read the official safety report on the towers.... and can see that the explanation they give for the collapse of the towers is very very logical...and might well of been the case...
The buildings were not capable of holding "falling weight" at the tops...only "static weight". The falling weight of the top floors collapsing caused the tower to pancake..

Sounds completely plausable to me! There are just too many things I personally can't get my tiny little noggin around...such as the explotions...the fact WTC 2 only actually burned for 30 mins before it fell on itself entirely
But WTC 7 foxes me even more than all of this...and I have heard with my own ears someone in good authority say the decision was taken to "pull" WTC 7

With such plausable arguements it is no wonder people want answers!

US government..are not providing the answers...which they seemingly have! Why not??

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 11:20

Sorry Papillion...was carried away with planes!
Yeh..I posted this a few days ago...he is very good...his theories on all kinds of things related to 9/11 events are very factual and fascinating to watch

JanH · 03/01/2007 11:23

Morning,paps - I am just watching him and he is good.

beety posted this link earlier, I'm just going to post it again to point something else out:

plane hitting second tower

watch the front of the building as the plane hits the back - something shoots out of the front before the explosion the bursts through the wall. WTF is that, hey? Looks like something was shot from the front of the plane...plus the plane appears to rip through the building without being slowed at all by the impact.

(The other "missiles" come from the first tower)

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 11:25

its odd!

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 11:30

ok...fair do's mb....

(but you can't dismiss it either)

JanH · 03/01/2007 11:32

mb, have you watched papillon's Jeff King link?

Blandmum · 03/01/2007 11:39

well, yes I think I can, because at the moment it is unproven. When you prove it to me, then I'll re think things.

Look I just went into the kitchen and took out a packet of biscuits in a box. When I opened them the cellophane was open and a biscuit had gone. Two possible explanations

  1. One of my family did it, without telling me.
  2. The box was opened in the factory and i have been robbed.

you can't prove the latter, should I sue them?

ruty · 03/01/2007 11:40

can't watch Jeff King video - volume to low on my computer [either that or i'm deaf] Biggest problem i have is the number of people who would have had to be involved in something like this - you mean to say all of them kept quiet, and none of them have leaked info? Just doesn't seem possible.

ruty · 03/01/2007 11:41

you forgot the third MB, a member of the CIA came into your house secretly at night and removed the biscuit without your knowledge!

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 11:42

No Jan, I don't see that? I stop pause the film and all I see is the nose of the plane coming through the other side?

The dark object coming from the first tower could be falling debris?

At about 14/15 seconds an object or an explosion appears to come from the first building?

Blandmum · 03/01/2007 11:42

damn it, yes you are right! I will look for the evidence now!

They don't have biscuits in America 'cos america doesn't really exsist

JanH · 03/01/2007 11:43

If it's the nose of the plane it's completely undamaged...

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 11:45

mb......I can't prove it can I!

I did a Masters in Environmental Education...I no nothing of physics particularly.....

People are trying to prove it mb...but they are not given the chance...they were not able to do a proper
investigation...information they need is being withheld....

what can I say!!!

maybe one day this info will be released...it sometimes takes up to 40 years for info to be realeased.
And if this day actually comes...won't we be glad we looked into it?

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 11:48

I wasn't there either...I was in the process of giving birth...but many people were....eyewitnesses to say what they saw...what they heard...how it felt etc etc..

JanH · 03/01/2007 11:53

This is from aloha's post about the steel (my italics):

"At this point" was March 02 when they can have barely started researching. According to the Jeff King film they only had 200 samples in total from the rubble - not just of the steel uprights - certainly not nearly enough to reassemble some of the uprights and discover if they had all simultaneously catastrophically crumbled to nothing.

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 11:56

They were not able to try to recover plane parts for reconstruction either JanH....planes have been reconstructed in warehouses to try to find out causes of crashes in other instances

Blandmum · 03/01/2007 11:58

part of the problem when it comes to science and discussions is what scientists mean by things, and what lay people (for want of a better word) mean are sometimes different things.

A for example.

Science can never, ever give you an absolte proof of anything. It can give you a very best estimate. For absolute proof you need maths.

I 'know', that if I drop a hammer it will fall to the ground. As a scientist I also know that there is an unbeleavably small possibility that all the atoms in the hammer will simultaneously shift at the same time, and the hammer may go back into my hand.

If you ask a scientist is this possible he will say 'yes, but very, very unlikly'. If a non scientis hear this you can imagige the banner headlines the next day. and this is what happens in some of the consipracy stuff. they ask a scientist 'Could this have happened, s/he may say 'Yes it could have' The next logical leap is that the teorist then says 'Scientist X confirms that this happened.' Which is not what s/he said.

Just because somethibg could have happened, it doesn't mean that it did happen. And untill you can be really sure in your theory, it is pointless to build a huge net of other theories on top of it. This isn't how science works.

So we go from, because it could withstand a hit from a 707 , it could have survived a hit hrom a 767, so it should have stayed uo and not fallen down, therefore it must have been blown up, therefore the CIA did it.

Because your first idea isn't proven (and in fact many experts will tell you that it couldn't wisthstand a 767 in that configuration), none of the rest are proven.

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 11:59

Now I do not really know much about the Gold Scandal....but this is all a bit odd too..

Papillon · 03/01/2007 12:00

ludaloo I did a Bachelor in Resource Studies, ecology major

Going to watch the link you just posted now Jan

Ruty you gotta get sound girl... loads of video links on this thread of great interest!

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 12:00

I found this statement "there is no indication that having access to each piece of steel from the World Trade Center would make a significant difference to understanding the performance of the structures" most bizarre the first time I read Aloha's post. Thinking of how they reconstruct planes from wreckage to find answers it seems an nonsensical statement to say they wouldn't learn anything from the debris of the buildings.

I found the Jeff King video very interesting thanks for the link.

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 12:01

trouble is mb it seems the scientists don't agree in this case!

ruty · 03/01/2007 12:03

eh?

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