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BeetrootsResolution · 30/12/2006 12:39

My uncle sent me this and thought it was an appropriate time to share it with you

The Truth?

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ludaloo · 03/01/2007 09:49

how do they explain Larry's confession to it being pulled??
That is termonology used in demolition. He admitted thats what happened. He was notified that his building was going to be pulled.

It takes days to set up demolition equiptment does it not???

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 09:58

And...really really not meaning this personally to anyone in any way.....

I did some research into planes last night.
At the time these buildings were constructed they were designed to withstand an impact from a Boeing 707. This was the biggest commercial plane flying at that time....
(You are probably in a far better position MB to clarify that statement...I couldn't actually find definitive evidence that it was "The Biggest"...and by biggest I mean "heaviest" as well as physically bigger)
Anyway...my point is..that a Boeing 757 is in actual fact lighter than a 707...its dimensions are smaller also.

BeetrootsResolution · 03/01/2007 10:02

what is this

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ludaloo · 03/01/2007 10:08

boeing707

boeing757

707specifications

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 10:10

sorry and 757 specs

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 10:12

What is that??? It comes from behind the other tower it seems???

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 10:14

that's a weird one beety. That's the first footage I've seen where you can actually see the nose of the place emerge through the other side of the building. I actually thought they stuck completely inside.

The other things seem odd, but to be fair you can doctor film footage but there does seem to be an explosion lower down the building.

I just recently watched some footage where witnesses (one a firefighter) heard a massive explosion before the first tower collapsed.

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 10:16

that would be this

Blandmum · 03/01/2007 10:17

According to dh a 707 is smaller and lighter than a 757.

and he flys a 707 (or did )

The two that flew into the twin towers were 767s

you also have to take into account the speed at which tey can fly, since the kinetic 9movement) energy that have is a product of 1/2 x the mass x the speed squared.

To it is the speed that is the more imprtant issue, in some ways . Because of the physics.

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 10:19

sorry...can't actually say this is that particular conversation!!!!

I think this was AFTER the 1st tower had collapsed.

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 10:22

this forum makes for spooky reading - Year 2000

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 10:24

page down to pictures of the remains of the hotel \link{http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/336291/concorde crash into french hotel} structure is still visible

JoolsToo · 03/01/2007 10:29

Oops concorde crash into french hotel

Papillon · 03/01/2007 10:42

Morning All

Did anyone watch the Jeff King Video????

this

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 10:43

sorry I had 757 and 767 confused...757 was the pentagon and the field crash plane.
I apologise.
Specifications for a 767....how fustrating!....

707 gross weight...160,000 pounds(86,184 kg)
767 gross weight...they don't provide it!!!

Ok MB...I put my hands up! You are more in the know here....

Anyway....they were designed with this kind of PLANE impact in mind........

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 10:50

the 707 Max take off weight 333,600 lb

757 max take off weight 272,500 lb

Take off weights is all I can find...why do they do that!!!!!!

Blandmum · 03/01/2007 10:53

but not the plane, which, I think makes the difference.

In addition the angle at which it impacted would have had an effect of the structure and the speed with which it hit.

The physics is the key to this, and the chemistry too.

I'll be up front, I'm not a physics or chemistry expert, but I do know enough to pick holes in the conspiracy. Understanding the science is important. They can come up with all sorts of ideas, which sound ultra convincing, until you look at the science.

For example, steel doesn't melt untill you get to around 3000 degrees. However by the time you heat it to 1100 degrees it has lost 50% of its strenth. By the time you get to the temperatute that av fuel burns, you have lost 90%, and it will deform and fall down.

Initialy the 'fact' sounds convincing, but the reality is something different. And you have to understand the science to really understand what is happeneing.

When the av fuel hit the building the heat would have been enourmous. Hot gases expand, rapidly, they don't stay in one place (actually all gases move whatever the temp) and again you have to understand the scince to understand that the aviation fuel would have moved round the building, not stayed in one place.

I thought that the flying would have taken some doing, I've never piloted anything. Dh tells me the contrary. Since he knows about this stuff, adnI don't, I'll go with him.

I'm not saying you have to accept everything that you are ever told, but it is helpful to understand the science, if you are to make sense of what everyone, experts and conspiracy theorists alike, tells you.

I'm not at architect, but when one tells me that thse buildings are designed to colaps in on themselves, I'll belive them, because to me that sounds utterly semsible, give how tall they are, and where they have been built.

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 10:56

oh..interestingly...... 767 Max take off weight...395,000lb

So this would suggest the 767 did indeed have the capacity to weigh more than the 707

the 757 didn't.

Blandmum · 03/01/2007 10:58

707 wingsapn 130 ft
767 wingspan 156 ft

so it is quite a bit bigger.

So it was hit by a bigger plane, not one of the same size.

Blandmum · 03/01/2007 10:59

well, dh told me it was bigger, and given that this is his job, I believed him

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 10:59

Sorry...MB not argueing with you here...just interested in the plane sizes and the building design...

Of course there are tons of other factors to consider..

I just wanted to make the point that theoretically the buildings were supposed to been able to take this kind of crash.

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 11:01

yeh...767 was bigger..and designed to take more weight.

Blandmum · 03/01/2007 11:02

No, that isn't true. It was supposed to be able to be hit by a slower, smaller, older plane. Not the same thing at all.

This is what I mean by the logic jump. You can't say, 'it was capable of being hit by a large plane, so it was capable of being hit by this large plane'. It just doesn't work like that.

Blandmum · 03/01/2007 11:05

This is what I mean by the conspiracy stuff, it looks good, until you poke around and think about it.

In the JFK stuff I always belived that there must have been another gunman, because of the Magic Bullet theory. Now it comes out that the 'magic bullet' was only magic, if the governer was sitting at the same height as JFK, directly in from on him. Well, he wasn't, he was on a much lower, jump seat that pushed him to one side. When you take that into account, the bullets trajectory was totaly normal. Give this new information I have had to re think my views! Add to that dh went to the Texas book depositorty and said the shot was an easy one. I've re thought some more!

ludaloo · 03/01/2007 11:09

This is what I mean by the logic jump. You can't say, 'it was capable of being hit by a large plane, so it was capable of being hit by this large plane'. It just doesn't work like that.

But...you can't just say "it can't" either surely

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