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Part 3: Israeli-Palestinian conflict

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AndHarry · 26/07/2014 16:54

New thread as part 2 is nearly full.

Part 1 is here.

Part 1 was started when 3 Israeli boys were found murdered.

Part 2 is here.

In part 2 we mainly discussed the legality and human consequences of Operation Protective Edge.

OP posts:
TheHoneyBadger · 30/07/2014 23:23

crazy isn't it springheeled apparently EITHER you support the mass murder of women and children trapped in a prison OR you support HAMAS. hmm. nope.

justasecond · 30/07/2014 23:26

Please can you link some proof to your assertions Sweetchip? otherwise go away and educate yourself on the facts.

OhBuggerandArse · 30/07/2014 23:37

I wonder how far Mumsnet can check on these posters. Presumably IP addresses work if they're based somewhere obvious, but what happens if they're elsewhere in the world or using IP disguisers?

emma2277 · 30/07/2014 23:38

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emma2277 · 30/07/2014 23:42

Either the left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing or Regev is a LIAR, which is it???

Peter Lerner went on tv earlier today and said Israel DID fire at the UN school refuge and on Newsnight tonight Regev said its not known if the IDF fired their bombs at it!! DANG!!

emma2277 · 30/07/2014 23:49

Add message | Report | Message poster justasecond Wed 30-Jul-14 23:22:01
Anyone see that disgusting shit Regev on Newsnight? Still spouting the same "human shields" bollocks.
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he is an arse hole, paid and sold his soul

emma2277 · 30/07/2014 23:54

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PigletJohn · 31/07/2014 00:01

Loathsome man though he is, I do have some sympathy for Mark Regev.

He is paid to try to make the "persuadables" believe that the State of Israel is not a murderous gang which slaughters and maims people by the thousand, in the sure and certain knowledge that the majority of Israel's victims will be non combatants, and many of them will be children. Imagine the mental stress he must be under as he flannels after Israeli forces have bombed or shelled a hospital for the crippled or elderly, a school, or a UN safe sanctuary whose location has repeatedly been notified to the Israeli forces. Think how difficult it must be for him to explain that children shelled to pieces when playing football on a beach are actually the responsibility, not of the Israeli forces who fired on them, but of somebody else.

Only an inhuman monster could possibly spout these disgusting lies without being driven out of his mind.

justasecond · 31/07/2014 00:06

Piglet - Well its either that or that the attacks are planned and his answers pre-rehearsed.

emma2277 · 31/07/2014 00:09

you make an interesting point piglet, how many of these mouths are trapped blackmailed scared souls...for sure alot of them look like it..peter lerner looks like he wants to vomit every two seconds....

Goodnight

justasecond · 31/07/2014 00:09

What else are we supposed to think when the UN gave them their cordinates 17 times and they still bombed the school.

emma2277 · 31/07/2014 00:11

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What else are we supposed to think when the UN gave them their cordinates 17 times and they still bombed the school.

--- EVERYONE in the world knows the answer to that and its disgusting shame on them, massive massive shame >>>>>>>

Poppet1974 · 31/07/2014 00:12

Oh there's a definite smell of hasbara bullshit on the thread this evening.
I hope these creatures don't get the thread pulled, it really is the most interesting thread I've read on Mumsnet:-)
Well said Emma, couldnt agree with you
More:-)

saadia · 31/07/2014 00:13

I don't think he loses any sleep over the garbage that he spouts, after all, Palestinian deaths don't really matter to him.

zinher · 31/07/2014 00:46

The number of dead children is 350 now. I feel physically sick. There seems to be no end in sight.

QnBoudi · 31/07/2014 05:05

Hats off to the South American countries who've recalled their ambassadors to Israel. But that ain't going to happen here, let's face it, where more than 3 weeks' worth of public calls for justice for the Palestinians (see e.g. www.fbu.org.uk/resources/executive-council-statement-crisis-gaza/; www.tuc.org.uk/gazajuly2014) have been studiously ignored by those who are supposed to represent us. Cameron et al's silence on the atrocities perpetrated by Israel have been - quite astoundingly - deafening.

Protests and demos should be a way of getting our voices heard, but as many have noted, there's a real sense of anti-climax when these are barely even mentioned by our biased news channels. We should have learned from the Iraq war that governments take no notice of public protests (though these are clearly helpful in creating a sense of solidarity and mutual support).

It's really time to try another tack.

I vote for massive boycotting of all Israeli goods at each and every opportunity. We can keep up the e-petitions, emails to MPs etc etc, but simply hitting the oppressors in the pocket will surely have a much greater impact than all the hand-wringing and appeals to reason, fairness or just basic humanity.

www.inminds.com/shopping-can-kill.php gives a great overview of the what and why of boycotting. Be prepared though for some truly disgusting t-shirts (e.g. pregnant Arab woman with bull's eye on bulging belly, with slogan below '1 shot 2 kills'). While the info on this site is from the 2009 round of atrocities, much is still of relevance, if only as a poignant reminder that we really need to get justice for the Palestinians this time: so many thousands of deaths must not be in vain. In terms of a boycott rationale, there are also some very compassionate views expressed on jews4big.wordpress.com/tag/jews-for-boycotting-israeli-goods/.

Not sure I agree with the more overt direct action suggested on www.boycottisrael.org.uk/ though its article on Israel's looming energy crisis suggests a perspective I hadn't considered and might go some way towards an explanation.

So why not join me in going a step further than the futile and frustrating weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, and pledge to boycott Israeli goods at www.palestinecampaign.org/boycott/?

shirleyparmer · 31/07/2014 06:47

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shirleyparmer · 31/07/2014 06:52

QnBoudi Why are you using your computer or laptop? www.takeapen.org/Takeapen/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&TMID=84&LNGID=1&FID=583&PID=877

PigletJohn · 31/07/2014 06:54

I suppose the reason for the slaughter of the people in Gaza must be because there are people like shirleypalmer around, who are filled with racism and hate.

Hope that answers your question.

shirleyparmer · 31/07/2014 07:01

I'm not filled with racism or hate it was just an observation.

PigletJohn · 31/07/2014 07:03

Start at the top of the thread and read it all.

Your racist hatred is not welcome here.

TheHoneyBadger · 31/07/2014 07:07

it was racial hatred and it is very much not welcome here.

it may be acceptable where you live but here it's not - crazily enough it's an offense rather than the core of our policies.

shirleyparmer · 31/07/2014 07:11

Israel still provides water, food, electricity and medical aid to Gaza. Under international law, Israel is not actually obliged to do this. Yet she does. Why doesn't Egypt open her border with Gaza? Why doesn't Egypt, or indeed any of the Muslim or Arab nations, offer to help the 'Palestinians’.....?

Backinthering · 31/07/2014 07:11

I'm not going to engage further with our new friends that have popped up so very suddenly.

ColgateSmile · 31/07/2014 07:14

Catching up with the thread quickly before work but I can't go without saying that, yes Shirley, your 6:47 post IS racist. What a load of generalising, nasty shite.

Never mind the children getting murdered by the IDF, they're probably all just potential terrorists anyway eh? I suppose you think Israel is doing the world a favour by exterminating the people of Gaza???