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Blandmum · 06/02/2006 19:50

Here is a question.

Muslims says that the prophet cannot be protrayed and that for anyone to do so is a basphamy. But how can you blaspheme something you don't belive in?

As I understand it orthodox Jews say that it is a blasphamy for someone to write out the word of god. They would write G*d. Does this mean that Jews have the right to demand that Muslims stop writing the word Allah (since Muslims worship the same god as Christians and Jews)

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bloss · 07/02/2006 11:47

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Blandmum · 07/02/2006 12:05

MT, my husband is not in the Army. He is in the RAF and at the moment he is in the USA, so is not invading anyone

you said

'I can understand the rational behind your arguments MB, you have a partner in the army, part of the Iraqi invasion force, yes? I can see you have to argue your position as to do otherwise would mean arguing against the life you've chosen for you and your children. But I think that biases your opinion some what and leaves you resistant to some of the subtler things that have been argued on this thread. There are others whose antagonism to Islam is thinly veiled for various reasons, their own religious dogma for one. They all have an interest in 'winning' this debate, although they don't seem to understand that we've all lost it. '

Am am not resilient to 'subtle' things, I'm actualy quite bright and perceptive.

I have also been very measure in this debate and find your comments patronising in the extreem. It you youtha finds it difficlt, i feel to follw my posts, where I hacve, on numersous time. posted that arabic sensibiliteis have to be taken into account, injustices in the region need to be discussed and addressed.

You are putting views from me that I do not have,

And I would like you to withdraw those comments that are putting words in my mouth that I never said, or implied.

If you don't like the sharia law on blashpamy, take it up with thise who impose it. Not put me down for rasing it as a fact

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Rhubarb · 07/02/2006 12:09

Sorry folks, that post was meant for the other thread, I got them mixed up.

I do think the other should be deleted though, there is this thread now and no-one needs to be reminded of the way it degenerated into a slanging match. It does nothing for anyone's credibility.

Caligula · 07/02/2006 12:12

Oh but if it was deleted Rhubarb, all the arguments couldn't be referenced, and then people couldn't say "see my post of 8.25pm last night, I can't be arsed to say it again" and then this thread would go on for another 300 posts and then we'd have to start another one and then this one would have to be deleted and then no-one would ever have any time to discuss breast-feeding or Gina Ford because we'd be stuck in a vortex of muslim cartoon threads...

Rhubarb · 07/02/2006 12:13

You just described my idea of Hell!

(no offence to Muslims there of course!)

Caligula · 07/02/2006 12:15
Grin
Blandmum · 07/02/2006 12:19

Why is it that MT feels that she can dismiss all my argument because my husband is in the RAF. This obviously makes me some form of moron with no mind of my own, who is wildly anti Islam, ant the palitinians etc etc

She feels free to lump me into a particular catagory or mind set, given that she has never met me?

She also feels the need to berate us for thinking that all muslims are the same, that all are fanatics, when we have said, ad nausiam, that we do not think that this is so.

So she is allowed to make sweeping generalisations, but chooses to berate us when we don't even make those generalisations.

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moondog · 07/02/2006 12:21

Intersting article in Telegraph today covering the resigned comments of many Israelis (and hey,I don't go a whole load on Israel!) about what they have been putting up with for years.
They show one of them-Ariel Sharon with a star of David on his collar,drinking the blood of Palestinian children from a cup.
Other (not shown) apparently show Israelis wearing swastikas.

I quote:

'The caricatures are largely ignored,save by orgnasitions such as the Anti-Defamation League.'

Surprisingly,another Israel paper Haaretz
was more sympathetic.
'No society casn remain apathetic to offensive publications that insult values held sacred by certain groups within it.'

I'm really surprised by your dogmatic attitude MT.I thought you had a brain.

JoolsToo · 07/02/2006 13:45

moondog - you read the Torygraph?

Caligula · 07/02/2006 14:04

Don't get too excited Jools! I sometimes read it as well (but don't tell anyone)

peacedove · 07/02/2006 14:20

ruty you asked a very important question, and someone misunderstood and answered wrongly.

You asked about the soldiers, and I understand it was about the picture MB so kindly posted a link to, of the two boys in soldier fatigues, with a toy gun. So your question is about "peace and guns, at that this young age, too?"

There is an answer that will satisfy the secular national bent of mind, and then there is the truth. I weighed it very carefully, because as MB has discovered I do a lot of self-censoring, and by the look of things, some MNers don't want posts that are restrained. They are for free speech.

OK then, I will take the plunge and tell you the truth about us Muslims; It will be free from self-censor, so perhaps dislike for me will lessen.

There is a big secret about us that is known to a few, but perhaps some of the truth has got out, hence this constant hammering of the violent minority although we on this board have condemned the slogans.

The research on Islam has been going on for a very long time, centuries. Some of this has resulted in good, and some of which has exposed such dark secrets about us that they have to kept under wraps.

The CIA thought it knew about us, but then something happened, and the CIA had to commission this research. It happened as the Shah of Iran fell, and Iran became an Islamic Republic, and gave up all the goodies that it had learnt from the West, and the women went back to wearing the oppressive veil and the like, and they voted in the dreaded backward Shariah (the Shia version).

The Director of CIA was grilled on German TV about not being able to foresee it even when CIA for Asia was centered in Tehran. He said in his defence something to the effect that "we thought we understood the Muslims, but obviously they (the Muslims) have some trait that is unpredictable."

The CIA then set about to remove the unpredictability by commissioning the research. That research yielded what I am going to tell you.

You see we Muslims are violent.

No big deal here, and any sensible MNer has seen on the relevant thread, because although all the Muslims here have condemned the slogans, they haven't condemned the protest over the questioning of "free speech" about the prophet (pbuh). Hence we Muslims must, by definition, be violent.

The CIA research goes further, and tells you why:

We Muslims have a "terrorism" gene, and a "terrorism "meme".

IF we are born Muslim, we are violent by nature of this gene, and if we are converts, then alas the meme thing comes into play, because just saying the shahada puts the meme in there.

There really is no hope for us, but as we multiply faster than rabbits and we are immigrating into other cultures, we will take over the world.

That is what saadia meant.

At one time Europe understood us better, and the truth about us is told in the frigehtening stories of yore. The Inquisitors understood us best.

We are the Borgs, and be warned, the world's inhabitants are being Borged, and that the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Twinkie1 · 07/02/2006 14:24

Lucky for us we have Captain Pickard then!!!

Sexy bald northern bloke!!

Sorry can't be serious can you????

suzywong · 07/02/2006 14:24

well thank heaven that's all cleared up!

What's a meme?

Blandmum · 07/02/2006 14:26

Like a gene , but passed on by communication. An idea thought up by Richard Dawkins.

Funny though PD It knocks the muslims are humourless thread right out of line

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OldieMum · 07/02/2006 14:28

Violent memes? Good grief! And there was naive Oldiemum thinking that all this conflict and distrust had something to do with history. Biology is a so much simpler explanation, isn't it?

trying2bgood · 07/02/2006 14:30

peacedove - surely the borgs are simply misunderstood??? look how reasonable seven became when she got to know us!!!! LOL sorry could not help myself!

uwila · 07/02/2006 14:32

Ah, Peacedove is a funny boy.

ruty · 07/02/2006 14:40

PD I don't believe that of Muslims. I'm sorry if you think I do. Goodbye!

Blandmum · 07/02/2006 14:42

tryin2begood

And in the same thread

7 would be dangerous in , or out, of hejab, don't you think?

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uwila · 07/02/2006 14:45

okay, this weirdo trekky twist to the thread is too much. You driven me back to work.

Tinker · 07/02/2006 14:46

Are peacedove and singedandburned the same person?

Blandmum · 07/02/2006 14:46

Live long and prosper uwila!

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peacedove · 07/02/2006 14:47

ruty sorry I used your name. This was just menat to be funny. See everyone has laughed. I didn't say you or anyone thought so.

Parts of these are true though - which parts, I leave for the individual reader to decide.

Blandmum · 07/02/2006 14:50

as an amusing aside PD,
Did you know that lenord nimoy used traditional hebrew gestures to 'invent' the vulcan salute?

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expatinscotland · 07/02/2006 14:54

'I can understand the rational behind your arguments MB, you have a partner in the army, part of the Iraqi invasion force, yes? I can see you have to argue your position as to do otherwise would mean arguing against the life you've chosen for you and your children. But I think that biases your opinion some what and leaves you resistant to some of the subtler things that have been argued on this thread. '

What an incredibly patronising, condescending and insulting thing to assume about someone you don't even know.

I have to say, aside from pure entertainment value, this thread really takes the biscuit for nastiness.

Should be stopped and deleted.