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Blandmum · 06/02/2006 19:50

Here is a question.

Muslims says that the prophet cannot be protrayed and that for anyone to do so is a basphamy. But how can you blaspheme something you don't belive in?

As I understand it orthodox Jews say that it is a blasphamy for someone to write out the word of god. They would write G*d. Does this mean that Jews have the right to demand that Muslims stop writing the word Allah (since Muslims worship the same god as Christians and Jews)

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peacedove · 08/02/2006 06:10

uwila sacrifice for freedoms, eh?

more like sacrifice for Halliburton

uwila · 08/02/2006 08:05

Oh, Peacedove, Halliburton's gains have smaller than it's costs. PROPOGANDA!

The association with Dick Cheney, and hence the Bush administration has been the worst thing that ever happened to Halliburton.

lars · 08/02/2006 08:26

Sorry but I can't believe this thread is still going on. There are other MN who need replies girls! Just thought this thread is old news!

peacedove · 08/02/2006 08:28

uwila "Halliburton's gains have smaller than it's costs. PROPOGANDA!"

strongly doubt it. The companies associated with oil in any way have made a killing.

uwila · 08/02/2006 08:31

Uh... that is simply wrong. Profit margins for work in Iraq have been around 2% (can't remember the exact figures now -- but it's really small) for KBR (Halliburton).

However, I think it's probably time to let this thread die. So I'm going to wander over to another thread now.

tatt · 08/02/2006 08:56

there seem to be some double standards in existence here. Aloha got angry and became very offensive and is welcome back. Saadia - who was most certainly severely provoked - eventually became angry and yet does not see to be equally welcome back? Possibly she regets her comment now and would like to apologise but we aren't likely to find out after the way she was hounded.

I should like to have a calm discussion with muslims about the original topic of this thread but it is impossible to do so in the atmosphere that has been created recently on mumsnet. Best to return to the topic later.

Kathy1972 · 08/02/2006 09:28

But Aloha had postings deleted, that's the difference. I don't think anyone's saying Saadia isn't welcome back.

bloss · 08/02/2006 09:40

Message withdrawn

saadia · 08/02/2006 09:59

Thank you tatt - I do regret some of the things I said because I don't think I explained myself in the best way.

uwila · 08/02/2006 10:16

I think insults were flund and inappropriate behaviours displayed my many on this thread. How bout we let it go now. There is now a (so far) civil discussion on another thread.

Saadia, of course you are welcome back. So is Aloha. And so is anyone else who might be upset about this or any other thread -- except maybe for that user who was pretending to be a lawyer and giving out legal advice under false pretense. I don't think she's welcome back.

Heathcliffscathy · 08/02/2006 10:41

2% of what uwila? you make me laugh when you start talking about what a lovely company halliburton is....

Blu · 08/02/2006 11:23

Tatt - no-one is 'not welcome' as part of a discussion. Plenty of people argued strong points in a vigorous way, plenty of those points will always remain a ppint of controversy / disagreement. Aloha was called racist by a particluar poster, who declined to withdraw - or prove - the allegation. Aloha did, as a result of being accused of racism, sling out a couple of insults, which were deleted.

Personally, I would rather be called a dimwit or a twat (the deleted insults in question) than a racist, but I can see that MN have drawn a line about 'insults' v allegations.

And since no-one else on the thread saw Alohas argument as racist, why on earth wouldn't she be welcome back? No-one thinks it's top of the class behaviour, but plenty of lovely posters have become over-heated and used insults before.

tatt · 09/02/2006 07:30

sorry blu but if you read what aloha posted she was deliberately being offensive to muslims to drive them away. That isn't racist because muslims are not a race but it is not the type of behaviour that other mumsnetters should support. And a few of you have supported it, although there are vast numbers of other mumsnetters who have simply preferred not to get involved. If the approach had been adopted to a racial group it would be racist and if aloha had made her comments to a muslim in public the police could rightly have arrested her for conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace. That isn't to say aloha isn't as welcome back as anyone else - but she should apologise. I also think saadia should apologise but feel she was provoked.

FairyMum · 09/02/2006 07:39

Tatt, you are the only one who group all muslims together in one pot. Aloha certainly didn't. And those muslims on "that" thread, could certainly stand up for themselves, no?

uwila · 09/02/2006 14:30

Tatt, I feel your interpretation of Aloha's comments is much too harsh. It really is time to let it go. Aloha hasn't been back as far as I know, and that is greater loss to mumsnet than it is to Aloha. I can only hope that she is just taking a break and will be back.

Caligula · 09/02/2006 14:44

I know I shouldn't bump this again, but I have to agree, Tatt your comments about Aloha's posts are just wrong. If you were able to read them again, I think you'd see that, but of course you're not because they've been deleted, while nanneh's far more offensive insult (imo) was allowed to stand.

I hope Aloha comes back too.

Caligula · 09/02/2006 14:45

Blimey Uwila - that's twice in two days I've agreed with you. Pass the smelling salts!

uwila · 09/02/2006 14:58

Oh, you've got nothing on Motherinferior. We went on and on agreeeing on Majorstresses childcare thread yesterway.

Okay, really should stop bumping this thread...

JoolsToo · 09/02/2006 23:56

Discussing on Newsnight

apparently the cartoons were publised in an Egyptian newspaper in October - so where is the backlash against Egypt?

Saira Khan (The Apprentice) is on and is quite vehement against the extremists - you can hear she is passionate that Muslims in GB should be treated like any other Brit and thinks the protestors should have been arrested. She'd make a good spokeswoman for moderates!

motherfunkerhunkermunker · 10/02/2006 00:19

I'm really pissed off that Aloha has been treated like this.

Greensleeves · 10/02/2006 00:27

So am I. It stinks.

soapbox · 10/02/2006 00:29

I think it is terribly unfortunate that by deleting Aloha's posts MN have made it appear that she did actually say something racist, rather than the venting of fury that followed her being accused of racism.

Aloha is strongly atheist. Why anyone would therefore think that she would support any one religion over another is beyond me.

She is equally offensive about all religions, and I strongly support her right to be so.

TBH Aloha was far from the most odious poster on that thread and I think a great deal of selective sanctioning went on.

However, Aloha is more than able to defend herself and I very much hope that she returns soon to do so

Greensleeves · 10/02/2006 00:34

Yes, I think it was bad judgement to delete her posts and leave the accusation of racism for all to see. Sometimes rules don't fit the situation. I would be spitting mad, and quite hurt, if I were her.

motherfunkerhunkermunker · 10/02/2006 09:21

Agree that Aloha is more than capable of defending herself. But wanted her to know that she was not unsupported in that defence, iyswim.

Greensleeves, it sucks that MN left the "racist" attack there and deleted posts from Aloha.

uwila · 10/02/2006 09:25

I would also add that Aloha is only capable of defending herself if the posts through which she defends herself are left in tact.